Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Let the real drool begin. Ladies and gentlemen...open your wallets.
The end of this year will surely test my GAS-resisting urges.
The end of this year will surely test my GAS-resisting urges.
so... it's august. where's the sonnar 50/1.5?
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I have Champagne taste on a Bud Light budget.back alley said:
Too bad it's a buyer's market for souls nowadays; that would be a really bad bargain.
Nachkebia
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:bang: :bang:
Sonnar2
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Here is mine:
http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/ZeissIkon_VoigtlanderR3M_.html
I'm working on a comparison with the 2.0 Classic Heliar lens
And, BTW, looking for a Contax IIa/IIIa with 1.5/50mm Sonnar (CZJ or Opton), for 4 weeks. This would be also interesting to compare.
cheers Frank
http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/ZeissIkon_VoigtlanderR3M_.html
I'm working on a comparison with the 2.0 Classic Heliar lens
And, BTW, looking for a Contax IIa/IIIa with 1.5/50mm Sonnar (CZJ or Opton), for 4 weeks. This would be also interesting to compare.
cheers Frank
Nachkebia
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Excelleny Frank, can`t wait to see pictures.
sdai
Established
The black R3M looks pretty cool side by side against the silver Ikon ... how does build quality compare?
Sonnar2
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Build quality of R3M and ZI
The build quality is very similar, except that the leathering of the Zeiss-Ikon looks like genuine leather (what I don't believe it is). However, the Zeiss-Ikon has better ergonomics - starting with the strap lugs! The shutter sounds and looks the same - but the release of the Zeiss-Ikon is much smoother, and short-way.
Both are not loud, quieter as any SLR, but not as quiet as my Canon 7/P having metal foil focal plane shutters. I don't believe sectional shutter cameras can build more quiet than this. Sorry, if this sounds too loud, you either need to buy a digicam or a cloth shutter camera with 1/1000s fastest speed.
Looking into the lens opening, both cameras looks the same!
ZI-Finder
The finder of the ZI is bigger in terms of eye relief, and frames are excelently visible, although there is noticeable barrel distortion in the right-above corner, most visible with the 28mm frames. However, the shutter times are too far left outside, and not good visible in bright light. Oh well, an hour ago I looked through my Rolleiflex SL350 with shutter times on the above side, which is the best position! The metering info of the R3M is above, but the blinking annoys me. Again, not the best ergonomics.
The R3M is a very well made camera: far better build quality than my "user" Bessa-R, but there is one or another reason why the Zeiss-Ikon costs double its price.
C-Sonnar handling
The C-Sonnar is very smooth to handle, with one small focussing tab. Closest distance 0.9m (3 ft) -- this wasn't close even in the 1950's and isn't enough for a head portraiture. The focussing ring has plenty of room left, because it focusses in a 1/4 turn (90°) from infinity to 0.9m.
Aperture ring goes excellent with 1/3 clickstops, snapping softly but distinct. No circle aperture with most f-stops. We will see if this has any impact to out-of-focus rendering.
It's is very well balanced at the Zeiss-Ikon (as well as on the R3M) but it isn't a "compact" lens at all with 46mm filter, and it's not as short as the older Sonnar lenses. However, it is compact when compared with the C/V Nokoton 1.5/50, and some newer lenses. It is barely visible at the edge in the 28mm framelines of the ZI. With the R3M (1:1 finder) no intruding the 50mm frames. I'm quite sure it will be focussed correctly with the R3M as well.
And 46mm is a great choice of filter size, fitting many of the new ZI lenses as well as "classic" SLR items. My Carl Zeiss Planar 1.4/50mm for Rolleiflex - the great design of Dr. Glatzel 1972 - is one of the most compact SLR lenses with f=1.4 and has 49mm filter.
Left: this is what *I* use to call a "compact" f=1.5 lens... a 1955 Canon "Sonnar" with classical 7 elements placed in 4 groups. AFAIK, the CZ Sonnar of that era has had 42mm filter as well. Alas, close distance 3.4 ft!
Now time to go out for a shooting!
cheers Frank
The build quality is very similar, except that the leathering of the Zeiss-Ikon looks like genuine leather (what I don't believe it is). However, the Zeiss-Ikon has better ergonomics - starting with the strap lugs! The shutter sounds and looks the same - but the release of the Zeiss-Ikon is much smoother, and short-way.
Both are not loud, quieter as any SLR, but not as quiet as my Canon 7/P having metal foil focal plane shutters. I don't believe sectional shutter cameras can build more quiet than this. Sorry, if this sounds too loud, you either need to buy a digicam or a cloth shutter camera with 1/1000s fastest speed.
Looking into the lens opening, both cameras looks the same!
ZI-Finder
The finder of the ZI is bigger in terms of eye relief, and frames are excelently visible, although there is noticeable barrel distortion in the right-above corner, most visible with the 28mm frames. However, the shutter times are too far left outside, and not good visible in bright light. Oh well, an hour ago I looked through my Rolleiflex SL350 with shutter times on the above side, which is the best position! The metering info of the R3M is above, but the blinking annoys me. Again, not the best ergonomics.
The R3M is a very well made camera: far better build quality than my "user" Bessa-R, but there is one or another reason why the Zeiss-Ikon costs double its price.
C-Sonnar handling
The C-Sonnar is very smooth to handle, with one small focussing tab. Closest distance 0.9m (3 ft) -- this wasn't close even in the 1950's and isn't enough for a head portraiture. The focussing ring has plenty of room left, because it focusses in a 1/4 turn (90°) from infinity to 0.9m.
Aperture ring goes excellent with 1/3 clickstops, snapping softly but distinct. No circle aperture with most f-stops. We will see if this has any impact to out-of-focus rendering.
It's is very well balanced at the Zeiss-Ikon (as well as on the R3M) but it isn't a "compact" lens at all with 46mm filter, and it's not as short as the older Sonnar lenses. However, it is compact when compared with the C/V Nokoton 1.5/50, and some newer lenses. It is barely visible at the edge in the 28mm framelines of the ZI. With the R3M (1:1 finder) no intruding the 50mm frames. I'm quite sure it will be focussed correctly with the R3M as well.
And 46mm is a great choice of filter size, fitting many of the new ZI lenses as well as "classic" SLR items. My Carl Zeiss Planar 1.4/50mm for Rolleiflex - the great design of Dr. Glatzel 1972 - is one of the most compact SLR lenses with f=1.4 and has 49mm filter.
Left: this is what *I* use to call a "compact" f=1.5 lens... a 1955 Canon "Sonnar" with classical 7 elements placed in 4 groups. AFAIK, the CZ Sonnar of that era has had 42mm filter as well. Alas, close distance 3.4 ft!
Now time to go out for a shooting!
cheers Frank
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sdai
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Thanks a lot for the nice sum-up, Frank ... very helpful.
