-JQ-
Member
Hermes=jewelry for sure.
L needs to get it togethet and address the users of their expensive products not just jlo, etc.
Ey
im a recent rf covert and im really liking it. But I can,someday, get 1dx for the prices th at L wants for a BW camera, plus some nice L glass.
Still dancing...
Sorry about the phone posting mispeeeellings
JQ
L needs to get it togethet and address the users of their expensive products not just jlo, etc.
Ey
im a recent rf covert and im really liking it. But I can,someday, get 1dx for the prices th at L wants for a BW camera, plus some nice L glass.
Still dancing...
Sorry about the phone posting mispeeeellings
JQ
Lots of reasons:
1. Get out before the big depreciation hits
2. It's more money than they want tied up in a camera, when a cheaper one will do
3. Swap for other gear that fits their needs more closely
Pretty much the same reasons anyone sells a digital camera.
1. Get out before the big depreciation hits
2. It's more money than they want tied up in a camera, when a cheaper one will do
3. Swap for other gear that fits their needs more closely
Pretty much the same reasons anyone sells a digital camera.
thegman
Veteran
I'd say 99% of film cameras' values have fallen through the floor, worse than many digital cameras. Look at the Nikon F100 etc. It's only a few which can hold onto their value, and I think even then it's mostly compared to used cost, not new cost. I mean a Leica M7 can be had for a fair bit less than half the new price.
robklurfield
eclipse
Malcontentedness is soothed only temporarily by new gear. Gas-X can relieve bloating and flatulence. But if the underlying problem (in the case of a digestion, a bad diet; in the case of GAS, a bad attitude) still remains, you'll continue to have a belly ache.
If you're the sum of your stuff, you always need to have more stuff. If you attribute the quality (or lack thereof) to your gear more than your accumulated skills (or lack thereof), then you will always be a malcontent.
The best thing could happen to my own photography is more practice (meaning making more mistakes and trying harder to learn a little something from each of them).
I love the look of an M9P and would gladly own one. Can I live without it? Absolutely. Right now, film presents more than enough challenges to last me the rest of my life and my M8, handled properly (not trying to shoot at 2500 ISO too often for example) still exceeds my capabilities.
It's okay to want to stuff. But when wanting stuff rules your life, it's time to seek professional help (a salesman or a therapist; choose your poison).
If an M9P in black with some brassing appears here at the right price (way less than they're going for now), maybe I'd buy one.
If you're the sum of your stuff, you always need to have more stuff. If you attribute the quality (or lack thereof) to your gear more than your accumulated skills (or lack thereof), then you will always be a malcontent.
The best thing could happen to my own photography is more practice (meaning making more mistakes and trying harder to learn a little something from each of them).
I love the look of an M9P and would gladly own one. Can I live without it? Absolutely. Right now, film presents more than enough challenges to last me the rest of my life and my M8, handled properly (not trying to shoot at 2500 ISO too often for example) still exceeds my capabilities.
It's okay to want to stuff. But when wanting stuff rules your life, it's time to seek professional help (a salesman or a therapist; choose your poison).
If an M9P in black with some brassing appears here at the right price (way less than they're going for now), maybe I'd buy one.
DougFord
on the good foot
Surely service revenue's are up at Leica. And this trend keeps climbing upward as the number of digital M's enter the market.
I see the M9 as a 'legend in its own time' type of camera. Small, full frame with basic manual controls and manual focus. The M10, with included video, maybe projected frame-lines along with live-view will be a big departure from the 'classic' legendary M9.
I wouldn't be surprised if after the M9 gives way to the M10, that at some future point an 'M9 classic' would be offered in some sort of limited release fashion.
As the current M9 market shakes out, more and more 'photographers' will be able to afford and USE them. Perhaps a second life for the M9 at a 2nd hand price point, yet to be determined, is occurring.
I see the M9 as a 'legend in its own time' type of camera. Small, full frame with basic manual controls and manual focus. The M10, with included video, maybe projected frame-lines along with live-view will be a big departure from the 'classic' legendary M9.
I wouldn't be surprised if after the M9 gives way to the M10, that at some future point an 'M9 classic' would be offered in some sort of limited release fashion.
As the current M9 market shakes out, more and more 'photographers' will be able to afford and USE them. Perhaps a second life for the M9 at a 2nd hand price point, yet to be determined, is occurring.
loquax ludens
Well-known
Yeah, Mr. Rockwell is a character. He has strong opinions that are often indelicately stated. But his site is fun to read, nonetheless.
His assertion about the worth of old film cameras can be read more than one way. What I think he meant was that they don't fetch a high price in the resale market, and for the most part, that is true.
icebear
Veteran
Hello Rob,
thanks for your post, I was almost giving up on this thread. I'm totally with you, altough I've never went for the M8/M8.2 but waited patiently for a used M9 (just before April 10th).
I'm a happy camper and the camera will far exceed my capabilities for a long time. I do not really care too much what the 2nd hand market is doing, as I don't intend to sell the M9 anytime soon.
And I do not care about ISO 6400 either. I would have to use a ND filter at night to shoot my Noct' wide open. Who needs ISO speeds >2500 other than folks with 100 - 400mm Zooms starting at F5.6?
porktaco
Well-known
there were quite a few newbies/no-posties putting m9s up for sale here in recent weeks. this i found more interesting than the actual number. hi. you have 1 post. i'm pretty sure that a small forum will beat a path to your door to spend $5500 on a camera. lol.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
As of now we have four M9s in the classifieds, at $4900, $5250, $5400 and $6150, from people having 5, 37, 10 and 2 posts respectively.
Observations:
- We'll probably get used to sub-$5000 prices soon.
- The RFF discussions and the RFF classifieds seem to be two separate communities, at least concerning high-end sales.
Observations:
- We'll probably get used to sub-$5000 prices soon.
- The RFF discussions and the RFF classifieds seem to be two separate communities, at least concerning high-end sales.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Thinking the M9 will hold station above $4000 for the next few years is being a little optomistic IMO. There's a lot of them out there for sale currently and this count will escalate rapidly when Leica announces/releases the next incarnation.
Im also shocked when I read someone has just had their M9 serviced by Leica after thirty thousand shutter actuations. Few digital cameras in this price bracket would/should require service after this amount of use!
astro8
Well-known
I worked out a while ago that if you are after a certain item, start a thread about it!
In a day or two, one or more will miraculously pop up in the classifieds.
In a day or two, one or more will miraculously pop up in the classifieds.
back alley
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tho not my intent with this thread.
i was just surprised not at how many were for sale but at how many folks here actually owned them in the first place.
i am quite satisfied and surprised at my satisfaction with my rd1s.
i was just surprised not at how many were for sale but at how many folks here actually owned them in the first place.
i am quite satisfied and surprised at my satisfaction with my rd1s.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
That's true ... RD-1s were crawling out of the woodwork a week after I started a thread praising the camera!
And none at the price I paid for mine ... which did make me feel a little smug I have to admit!
Araakii
Well-known
f16sunshine
Moderator
If it ever hits that range, you will be waiting for it to hit the $2500 range.
I am waiting for it to hit the $2500 range. It's not versatile enough to be a main camera. I tried with the m8 and rd1 before it. I'm not a PJ or street shooter. 135 RF's are for fun and special effect for me. I could justify a few expensive rf lenses but not cameras that can be outperformed for less. Besides I like pushing film through my m5 way more than any digital camera... M or otherwise.
I think this really depends on what the M10 is. If the M10 changes the design of the M camera, then the M9 could have a resurgence.
BobYIL
Well-known
If I had an M9 then I would never be thinking to sell it before actually seeing the M10 on the store shelves if my intention was to replace it with another FF Leica.
We may see a prototype M10 in the oncoming Photokina however how long it will take ST Microelectronics to come up with an "approved" production FF-CMOS is not known yet. Why this concern: Because ST Microelectronics had never produced a FF-CMOS before, it will be a totally different project for them started from scratch. In the meantime how far Leica would be "satisfied" with the performance of the prototypes, whether they would keep on with the ST Microelectronics or switch to Sony Semiconductor or have to go on with the existing CCD again..
Such matters are company decisions, sometimes they might take much longer than we want to believe. And for companies having no technology, no R&D of their own, they are at the mercy of other ones to proceed.
We may see a prototype M10 in the oncoming Photokina however how long it will take ST Microelectronics to come up with an "approved" production FF-CMOS is not known yet. Why this concern: Because ST Microelectronics had never produced a FF-CMOS before, it will be a totally different project for them started from scratch. In the meantime how far Leica would be "satisfied" with the performance of the prototypes, whether they would keep on with the ST Microelectronics or switch to Sony Semiconductor or have to go on with the existing CCD again..
Such matters are company decisions, sometimes they might take much longer than we want to believe. And for companies having no technology, no R&D of their own, they are at the mercy of other ones to proceed.
Gid
Well-known
Me too, though less surprised.
I think most of us that have sold, or are trying to sell, decided we cannot afford to keep upgrading with Leica. I sold my M9 and all of my Leica lenses.