So, why isn't Canon 'cool?'

[LukeBanks]

Stood outside for five hours yesterday in mostly heavy rain shooting an action event and my 5D2/70-200/2.8 never blinked .

I imagine you're well practised at that up in Blackpool! 😀

My niche is white water sports so even when the sun is shining I often end up soggy. Never had a Canon body or lens die on me yet though!

 

[wakarimasen]

I imagine you're well practised at that up in Blackpool! 😀

My niche is white water sports so even when the sun is shining I often end up soggy. Never had a Canon body or lens die on me yet though!

Last year, I took photographs of my sons' school rugby game. Halfway through, the heavens opened (literally) but I carried on with my 1D Mark III and the 100-400L lens (the original version). Although the viewfinder got a little foggy and focus seemed a little slower at times, it was only after the game that I noticed that the rain had been so bad, that water had got inside the lens.

A trip to Elstree sorted everything out (at a reasonable price, I should add) and the lens is still going strong.

Any 'coolness' points there? 🙄

 

[Wulfthari]

It is not irrelevant to the question I politely asked you, which was who was the first to sell one. You've claimed my suggestion this was Topcon is simply false, despite also mentioning the Topcon arrived on the market first. Perhaps that's your definition of nitpicking: when a person (other than yourself) is wrong, even when they're right. 🙂

This discussion is becoming an exercise of empty rhetoric : Pentax was the first to introduce TTL metering with the 1960 prototype, that's fact not opinion, then if you like to think I'm wrong be my guest.

Same thing for the discussion regarding the Olympus, some people on this board want to believe the OM-1 is irrelevant and it doesn't matter that after its introduction Pentax stopped the development of the K series and went with the M series, Nikon developed the FM line and Canon the A series, they will keep saying the OM-1 is not an important camera and had no impact because Leica had already designed long before the early Barnacks.

Wasn't the Spotmatic intended to have spot metering but didn't by the time it was produced and sold?

As for SLR's I've seen ones that took glass plates but I guess that won't count...

Regards, David

Yes you are correct sir! The prototype had spot metering then they thought it would have been to hard to use for the average consumer and they went with average metering.

 

[Roger Hicks]

This discussion is becoming an exercise of empty rhetoric : Pentax was the first to introduce TTL metering with the 1960 prototype, that's fact not opinion, then if you like to think I'm wrong be my guest.

Same thing for the discussion regarding the Olympus, some people on this board want to believe the OM-1 is irrelevant and it doesn't matter that after its introduction Pentax stopped the development of the K series and went with the M series, Nikon developed the FM line and Canon the A series, they will keep saying the OM-1 is not an important camera and had no impact because Leica had already designed long before the early Barnacks.

Are you familiar with the expression, "My mind is made up. Do not confuse me with the facts"?

And can you understand the difference between "may have had no impact" and "had no impact"?

Arguments are rarely as simple, or indeed as simplistic, as you seem to maintain.

Cheers,

R.

 

[wakarimasen]

OK - time outs for all!! Back to why Canon does not have the same cachet as Nikon please 😱

 

[Wulfthari]

Are you familiar with the expression, "My mind is made up. Do not confuse me with the facts"?

And can you understand the difference between "may have had no impact" and "had no impact"?

Arguments are rarely as simple, or indeed as simplistic, as you seem to maintain.

Cheers,

R.

More sophism, zero facts and more opinions that have been trying to be passed as fact.

OK - time outs for all!! Back to why Canon does not have the same cachet as Nikon please 😱

Essentially as you can see Canon wasn't capable to brainwash enough people to convince them they are the alpha and omega of Photography, I think this the final result of your topic.:angel:

 

[johnf04]

OK - time outs for all!! Back to why Canon does not have the same cachet as Nikon please 😱

According to whom? I own 8 canon cameras, but I don't see them as "cool" or "uncool". I see them as picture making tools.

 

[BlackXList]

Last year, I took photographs of my sons' school rugby game. Halfway through, the heavens opened (literally) but I carried on with my 1D Mark III and the 100-400L lens (the original version). Although the viewfinder got a little foggy and focus seemed a little slower at times, it was only after the game that I noticed that the rain had been so bad, that water had got inside the lens.

A trip to Elstree sorted everything out (at a reasonable price, I should add) and the lens is still going strong.

Any 'coolness' points there? 🙄

The 1 series especially, are absolute tanks, there's almost nothing you can throw at them that will defeat them.

I'm using 5 series mostly these days, and they're also incredibly capable.

I have affection for other cameras, but I know that the Canons will deliver 99.99% of the time, and I'll probably be defeated before the camera, that's what I want.

As I mentioned earlier there are some things the company does and products they make that infuriate me, but on the whole I can't see changing brands in my future.

 

[wakarimasen]

Essentially as you can see Canon wasn't capable to brainwash enough people to convince them they are the alpha and omega of Photography, I think this the final result of your topic.:angel:

In fact I hoped the thread would help me to work out why I want to keep my F2, F3, F4 and FE, but am unwilling to get rid of my 1D and 5D, and so consolidate with Nikon!

 

[Tim Murphy]

In fact I hoped the thread would help me to work out why I want to keep my F2, F3, F4 and FE, but am unwilling to get rid of my 1D and 5D, and so consolidate with Nikon!

Dear wakarimasen,

Maybe the answer lies in the fact you seen to have a preference for Nikon and if that is so why would you need any justification for your choice?

Unless of course, you think it's the wrong one? 🙂

Keep what you like, but please don't become one of those serial switchers I see all the time on photo message boards.

Regards,

Tim Murphy
Harrisburg, PA 🙂

 

[xayraa33]

OK - time outs for all!! Back to why Canon does not have the same cachet as Nikon please 😱

I think that they are all really just one firm (all owned by the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi) that decided to split the market in the late 1940s.

Nikon got the pro concession like with their USA importer Ehrenreich Photo-Optical Industries Inc. and with inflated prices to show their pro pedigree and Canon got the even more lucrative amateur market with a dizzying amount of quickly changing product and model labels.

 

[Tim Murphy]

I think that they are all really just one firm (all owned by the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi) that decided to split the market in the late 1940s.

Nikon got the pro concession like with their USA importer Ehrenreich Photo-Optical Industries Inc. and with inflated prices to show their pro pedigree and Canon got the even more lucrative amateur market with a dizzying amount of quickly changing product and model labels.

Actually, this probably isn't all that far from the truth. 🙂

 

[Huss]

The only cool camera mfgs are the ones that still make film cameras. As long as they make film cameras they can be forgiven for the sins of their digital offspring..

Canon (spits on the ground) first abandoned their original lens mount, then abandoned film.
'nuff said.

 

[tunalegs]

This discussion is becoming an exercise of empty rhetoric : Pentax was the first to introduce TTL metering with the 1960 prototype, that's fact not opinion, then if you like to think I'm wrong be my guest.

It is true, they built a prototype. But that doesn't mean they "introduced" TTL metering, as they were neither the first to come up with the concept, nor the first to put it into production. Further, Pentax went with stop down metering, which turned out to be a technological dead end. Topcon went with open aperture metering which is what every SLR uses today. Sort of makes the whole Pentax issue simply a "detour" through technological history.

Pentax also liked to claim they invented the layout of the typical 35mm SLR, but they were beaten by Edixa. Wirgin's Edixa Reflex already had the right hand advance lever, pentaprism, bottom rewind button, and so on in 1954. In fact the Edixa Reflex was only the second camera with a right hand advance lever, right after the Leica M3.

Also, Canon is cooler than Nikon.

 

[xayraa33]

Since when are SLRs cool? They all look the same and black out every time you want to take a photo. 🙄

The 1966 movie Blow-Up by Antonioni had a good hand at making SLRS cool, especially the much vaunted Nikon F .

I still think that the Nikon SP is the coolest camera ever, but then I like range-finder cameras, obviously.

 

[giganova]

I think film makers would agree with most of what has been said in this thread. Canon is THE camera to have if you are an indie film maker.

 

[Jack Conrad]

Camera coolness depends a lot on what jacket you're wearing.
Leica's cool with tweed. Nikon's cool with leather, and Canon's cool with corduroy. 🙂

By the way, the word cool is a cool word.

 

[gavinlg]

The more stuff nikon makes in China and Thailand, the less cool they get. Most of their stuff is now unfortunately.

 

[Keith]

Cool is a great word ... if it wasn't why would they have had a "Cool Wall" on the world's most popular television car show for the cars they considered stood out from the crowd?

 

[johnf04]

Television can never be cool.