Godfrey
somewhat colored
The brief answer to this is "no".
I'm not sure there are any cameras which include in-camera an adjustable noise reduction filtering mechanism. You usually adjust for noise by limiting ISO and using proper exposure. There are none that include comparison tools to a film camera setting, although there are many that include various kinds of film emulation. Any such kinds of comparisons are up to the individual in post processing operations.
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I'm not sure there are any cameras which include in-camera an adjustable noise reduction filtering mechanism. You usually adjust for noise by limiting ISO and using proper exposure. There are none that include comparison tools to a film camera setting, although there are many that include various kinds of film emulation. Any such kinds of comparisons are up to the individual in post processing operations.
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seany65
Well-known
Thanks for the reply and info Godfrey. I was sure I'd recently read something somewhere about adjustable noise reduction settings?
Edit: I have just this minute been looking on the interwebnet and found a page on the Fujifilm website called "Learning Center" and an entry about Noise reduction, and they say:
"You can have some input into this process using the IMAGE QUALITY SETTING > NOISE REDUCTION setting in the camera’s menu system (also accessible in the camera’s Q Menu). Depending on the model you own, you can adjust the amount of noise reduction by up to -4 and +4, with 0 being the default setting."
So I'm presuming most camera makers don't have such a control, so it's entirely understandable that most people wouldn't know Fuji do.
Of course, knowing my luck it'll only apply to Fuji's super-duper-posh-professional-expensive cameras, and not the X-s1 I'm thinking of buying.
Edit: I have just this minute been looking on the interwebnet and found a page on the Fujifilm website called "Learning Center" and an entry about Noise reduction, and they say:
"You can have some input into this process using the IMAGE QUALITY SETTING > NOISE REDUCTION setting in the camera’s menu system (also accessible in the camera’s Q Menu). Depending on the model you own, you can adjust the amount of noise reduction by up to -4 and +4, with 0 being the default setting."
So I'm presuming most camera makers don't have such a control, so it's entirely understandable that most people wouldn't know Fuji do.
Of course, knowing my luck it'll only apply to Fuji's super-duper-posh-professional-expensive cameras, and not the X-s1 I'm thinking of buying.
santino
FSU gear head
Probably jpg only…
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Yes, JPEG output format only.
I see noise reduction adjustment only in the Fuji GFX50 instruction manual I have, not in any of my other manuals (Nikon, Canon, Leica, Hasselblad, etc), with the exception that the Long Exposure Noise Reduction filtering done by Leica M bodies can be disabled if desired; there's no adjustability to it. (I never actually owned a GFX50, just downloaded the instruction manual a while back out of interest.)
The Fuji X-S1does have some adjustable noise filtering. I just downloaded the manual and read through it. They don't say much about it, just that it's there and you can adjust it.
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I see noise reduction adjustment only in the Fuji GFX50 instruction manual I have, not in any of my other manuals (Nikon, Canon, Leica, Hasselblad, etc), with the exception that the Long Exposure Noise Reduction filtering done by Leica M bodies can be disabled if desired; there's no adjustability to it. (I never actually owned a GFX50, just downloaded the instruction manual a while back out of interest.)
The Fuji X-S1does have some adjustable noise filtering. I just downloaded the manual and read through it. They don't say much about it, just that it's there and you can adjust it.
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seany65
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Thanks santino and Godfrey for the replies and the info.
Hmmm, you'd think Fuji would at least explain things properly for each of their cameras that has this ability. Perhaps they could've made a thing of it in their adverts, then maybe other makers could've taken up the idea and improved on it, maybe making usable in Raw files.
Hmmm, you'd think Fuji would at least explain things properly for each of their cameras that has this ability. Perhaps they could've made a thing of it in their adverts, then maybe other makers could've taken up the idea and improved on it, maybe making usable in Raw files.
seany65
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I've thought of yet another question, is it possible to film in mono, even if it's in a lower resolution?
I'd like to be able to say something like "only a couple of questions to go and that'll be the end of it all", but I'm pretty sure there's a chance I could on for 30 years.
lol.
I'd like to be able to say something like "only a couple of questions to go and that'll be the end of it all", but I'm pretty sure there's a chance I could on for 30 years.
lol.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
I'd suggest downloading the manual for whatever camera you are interested in and reading it thoroughly.I've thought of yet another question, is it possible to film in mono, even if it's in a lower resolution?
I'd like to be able to say something like "only a couple of questions to go and that'll be the end of it all", but I'm pretty sure there's a chance I could on for 30 years.
lol.
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seany65
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Godfrey, I have downloaded the manual for the x-s1. The manual is generally easy to understand but as you say, it ain't very clear about noise reduction.
In further research on the interwebnet, it seems "normal" (as opposed to "long exposure") noise reduction isn't applied to raw files, so I was wondering how close is the noise at any particular ISO to the noise in a negative that is at the same ASA? Is it anywhere near or wildly different? Having asked that, it occurs to me that it would depend on the number of pixels, size (+ type?) of sensor, so it's probably not a particularly easy question to answer, so probably best to forget I asked, lol.
In further research on the interwebnet, it seems "normal" (as opposed to "long exposure") noise reduction isn't applied to raw files, so I was wondering how close is the noise at any particular ISO to the noise in a negative that is at the same ASA? Is it anywhere near or wildly different? Having asked that, it occurs to me that it would depend on the number of pixels, size (+ type?) of sensor, so it's probably not a particularly easy question to answer, so probably best to forget I asked, lol.
shawn
Veteran
IME noise on digital doesn't really look much like film grain except in cases where the NR tries to substitute a grain look. Fuji does that in the ACROS modes for example. If you shoot JPEG try shooting a bunch of shots in bright and dark scenes at different ISOs and at different NR settings. On that camerathe exr mode will effect it as well.
There is no simple comparison between ISO and grain of a negative at the same speed. Different films have different grains at the same speed. Different sensors have different noise levels at the same ISO, esp. when you change sensor size and/or generation.
There is no simple comparison between ISO and grain of a negative at the same speed. Different films have different grains at the same speed. Different sensors have different noise levels at the same ISO, esp. when you change sensor size and/or generation.
seany65
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Shawn, thank you for the detailed info. You've reminded me of yet another thing that Fuji don't explain well enough - Why is the "EXR" mode a separate thing on the dial like "Manual", "Shutter priority" etc.and how do you use EXR when in one of those modes?
I'd better stop there as I detect "rant mode" was about to auto-engage, lol.
I'd better stop there as I detect "rant mode" was about to auto-engage, lol.
shawn
Veteran
The EXR modes are an interesting trick on that generation of Fuji. It was basically a way to take the idea of the earlier Super CCD and do something similar with CMOS sensors. Essentially the camera has a 12 megapixel sensor. If EXR is off or set to resolution you get 12 megapixel images. If you set it to NR it cuts the resolution in half and basically combines two adjacent pixels with the idea that the noise will be uncorrelated, it gives better SNR. In dynamic mode it again cuts the resolution in half but underexposes one of the two pixels to give more highlights to increase dynamic range.
seany65
Well-known
Yet again Thanks for the info Shawn.
What does the EXR mode do if set to "Resolution"?
What does the EXR mode do if set to "Resolution"?
Godfrey
somewhat colored
@seany65 : These are the kinds of questions that I find answers to by taking out the camera and trying the function. 🤔
Obviously, that means I have to have one of the cameras before I get curious enough to try to work out some of this arcana...
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