aeturnum
Established
Sorry. Who really cares about the "RF experience" anymore.
I find it interesting to see this as often as I see it. I grew up with digital, but I care quite a lot about the "RF experience." I'm selling my M9, but I expect I'll buy an M240 or its successor in a few years. If not the rangefinder, what about the RFs were people drawn to? Should we rename the board, "smallcameraforum," or maybe, "fullframeforum?"
Unfortunately, there are only a relative handful of people shooting full frame digital RF.
It's a super-niche.
Back in the day, there were lots of RF options...fixed lens and interchangeable.
If we are going to have a forum based on one feature of a camera, how about a forum for cameras with IBIS?
It's a super-niche.
Back in the day, there were lots of RF options...fixed lens and interchangeable.
If we are going to have a forum based on one feature of a camera, how about a forum for cameras with IBIS?
raid
Dad Photographer
Of course, I was joking about it. The M9 is too special of a camera to be sold.
peter_n
Veteran
For what I use color for the NEX-7 has been more than adequate. It's great to be able to use my Leica lenses on it and it has been totally reliable; no issues whatsoever in over a year of use.
I expect a FF version to be about twice the street price of a 7 which I think is reasonable given the quality of the pictures you get from it. I'm sure I'll eventually get one but I don't foresee selling the 7 given the double duty I'll get from my lenses.
I expect a FF version to be about twice the street price of a 7 which I think is reasonable given the quality of the pictures you get from it. I'm sure I'll eventually get one but I don't foresee selling the 7 given the double duty I'll get from my lenses.
edge100
Well-known
Do you honestly believe this?? I'm sure someone will come up with a relevant luxury car analogy that will expose the fallacy here...
ray*j*gun
Veteran
Alright! Bring on the medium format square sensor in a camera the size of a Ricoh GR!
AND let's not forget that Leica does not compete with Sony generally speaking. For some, only a Leica will do.
Actually, I hope Sony does put a dent into Leica profits. I'd like to see Leica get more realistic with pricing, and more up-to-date with features, and most importantly, get their slow-as-molasses manufacturing modernized. Competition is a good thing. Maybe this will spur them.
BW400CN
Bessamatic forever!
Yes Sir!
The M9 and the M240 are the only FFcams which can handle Leica M-lenses - if there is now someting with a better Sensor which can handle these lenses too, even the strongest Leica fan will strat to think! And that the Sony Sensor will be better as these Leica/Kodak Sensors is something like a written law!
Leica lives today from the quality of their lenses not from the quality of their digital bodies - people buy them while their is no competitor to a M240 - so what if there will be one?
jarski
Veteran
Man have I heard that before......
Me too.
Regardless the gasping about the initial price, it would be great if this rumor was true. So does current nex lenses work with ff after all?
jarski
Veteran
nightfly
Well-known
Don't have a horse in this race as I don't ever see myself buying a M9/240 or a Nex but to me besides the obvious advantages of full frame it potentially allows you to use your current wide angle lenses on a digital without the crop factor which is big for wide angle shooters.
You don't need to use those hideous beer can sized Sony lenses or expensive super wides cropped. Seems like a win.
Leica has been at the high end price wise of the market for years. I don't think people are buying them strictly for performance but rather experience and this probably won't change. It's why everything I own with a Leica badge on it is used. I get the experience without the inflated price.
There is also the "rich dentist" factor of people who buy Leica's because it says Leica on it. Arm candy. That won't change either. No one is enhancing their social status with a Sony.
You don't need to use those hideous beer can sized Sony lenses or expensive super wides cropped. Seems like a win.
Leica has been at the high end price wise of the market for years. I don't think people are buying them strictly for performance but rather experience and this probably won't change. It's why everything I own with a Leica badge on it is used. I get the experience without the inflated price.
There is also the "rich dentist" factor of people who buy Leica's because it says Leica on it. Arm candy. That won't change either. No one is enhancing their social status with a Sony.
Kwesi
Well-known
I am very happy to hear this news. I am looking forward to the day when I can walk into a pro store, play with a full frame mirrorless Leica, Sony, Fuji and Ricoh and leave with the camera that suits me best.
mfogiel
Veteran
If this comes out, it will mean, the cameras are converging to what they shoud be:
- Full Frame
- efficient EVF with no lag, no smearing, no b***it
- microlenses on sensor, to be able to apply any type of lens
- adapters to ANY lens available on the second hand market
- simple profile generating utility for each lens one would like to use with it, to correct for vignetting, distortion or unwanted aberrations
- colour or B&W sensor options, with or W/O anti aliasing
- 16 or higher bit depth
As to resolution, it might be a compromise with high ISO and dynamic range parameters: less resolution= better higher iso and DR and vice versa, so there could be different versions of sensors A' LA CARTE...
- Full Frame
- efficient EVF with no lag, no smearing, no b***it
- microlenses on sensor, to be able to apply any type of lens
- adapters to ANY lens available on the second hand market
- simple profile generating utility for each lens one would like to use with it, to correct for vignetting, distortion or unwanted aberrations
- colour or B&W sensor options, with or W/O anti aliasing
- 16 or higher bit depth
As to resolution, it might be a compromise with high ISO and dynamic range parameters: less resolution= better higher iso and DR and vice versa, so there could be different versions of sensors A' LA CARTE...
Dirk
Privatier
I love my SL2 and M3, but if I can get a FF camera with a Sony sensor that I can use my Leica lenses on without having to pay Leica prices, I can live with the stigma of it being a Sony...
ChipMcD
Well-known
One thing that none of the posts so far seem to take into account is how well a Sony FF sensor will work with Leica glass. My NEX-7 is no great shakes with Leica lenses of 28 mm and wider, at least not without Cornerfix. My M9 doesn't have that problem because the sensor was designed for the lenses. With 35 mm and longer focal lengths, no problem on the NEX. My point is that a FF NEX may not be an optimal solution, unless Sony focuses some engineering attention on the problem. My guess is that they will be primarily. focusing (no pun intended) on whatever lenses Sony is planning for the camera. Even then they may be looking mainly at in-camera processing solutions that may not work with Leica glass. It may be analogous to using non-Leica 21 mm lenses on the M9-not so good without Cornerfix. We can hope though. I've generally been quite pleased with my NEX-7.
f16sunshine
Moderator
^^
Doesn't Sony have a sensor in that NEX 5n that uses very effective micro-lenses?
I bet they will incorporate a similar design if they ever actually do enter a FF NEX to the ring.
It only makes sense to use all the tech they've developed. My Sony Gripe is the damn UI.
It's a damn Sh!tshow compared to the rest of the marketplace. They should take a page from Fuji
Doesn't Sony have a sensor in that NEX 5n that uses very effective micro-lenses?
I bet they will incorporate a similar design if they ever actually do enter a FF NEX to the ring.
It only makes sense to use all the tech they've developed. My Sony Gripe is the damn UI.
It's a damn Sh!tshow compared to the rest of the marketplace. They should take a page from Fuji
bwcolor
Veteran
The devil is in the details. We can thank Sony for accelerating the pace of mirrorless development. This next round promises improved EVF and on sensor PDAF. They better get this right given their 'A' series cameras are to compete with Canon and Nikon OVF and traditional phase detection autofocus.
You just have to wonder what Ricoh/Pentax and Fuji have on the boards. I would guess that their FF would move many more Leica owners than Sony's offering.
You just have to wonder what Ricoh/Pentax and Fuji have on the boards. I would guess that their FF would move many more Leica owners than Sony's offering.
ChipMcD
Well-known
^^
Doesn't Sony have a sensor in that NEX 5n that uses very effective micro-lenses?
I bet they will incorporate a similar design if they ever actually do enter a FF NEX to the ring.
It only makes sense to use all the tech they've developed. My Sony Gripe is the damn UI.
It's a damn Sh!tshow compared to the rest of the marketplace. They should take a page from Fuji
It does take some getting used to. It's a work in progress. Once you're used to it, the strangeness abates.
rjschell
Established
BFD! I'm happily sticking with my NEX6 and the 19,30, & 60 Sigma lenses. I have several Contax G & ltm lenses, but have found them to be happier on their respective film bodies.
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