Stop Bath vs Water

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Heard one can use water instead of a stop bath when processsing film. I believe Chris Crawford mentioned he uses water. My question is if I were to go with water should I go with tap or distilled. Of course at 68 degrees as the developer and fixer.
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Distilled water is a must for mixing chemicals, including photoflo. Tap water is sufficient to replace a stop bath. (I have doing this for years without any problems.)
 
Tap is fine. I use a couple of rinses at this stop stage to prevent carryover of developer pH to the fixer.
 
I doubt if you ll see a difference unless the tap water in your area is hard water in which case you will have other problems. The biggest issue is carryover of developer and the capacity of your fixer going down over time. I use tap water and just replace the fixer well before it's capacity is reached
 
I only use stop bath when the developing time is short and timing is critical; otherwise I just rinse a few times in 68º tap water.
 
Distilled water only to mix chemicals??!! This is news to me. I've developed 100's of rolls without a problem mixing with tap water... maybe local water is too good?
 
Tap water is just fine for mixing developer and fixer. Been doing it for 40 years, never an issue.

Final rinse should be done with purified water and photoflo. Thats it.
 
I do a quick rinse with tap water then use stop bath for a minute then rinse with tap to stop carry over.
I have always mixed developer and fixer with ordinary tap water and never had a problem.
I will now consider using Evian bottled for that 'je ne sais quoi' 😀
 
I always use tap water instead of stopbath for development.
I only use distilled water for the final wash, otherwise I get water marks when the negatives is dry.

For darkroom printing, I do use stopbath.
 
I always use tap water instead of stopbath for development.
I only use distilled water for the final wash, otherwise I get water marks when the negatives is dry.

For darkroom printing, I do use stopbath.

That was always my habit. I would use stop when processing 4x5 sheet film, though.

Cold tap water is generally fine for all uses. The exceptions are when the tap water is of relatively poor quality and hot tap water which too often contains extra disolved oxygen and "grunge" from the old water heater. Old buildings and some older neighborhoods with heavily corroded supply pipe may introduce some undesirable additions to the water. Under such conditions, using heavily filtered water or distilled water is called for. One apartment that I lived in for a while had issues that forced me to use distilled water for a final short wash and for the Photoflo. Other than that, tap water was always fine.

I did take on the habit of bringing the water used for mixing developers to nearly a simmer on the stove before cooling it to the desired "hot" water temp for mixing. This forces out the bulk of the dissolved oxygen increasing the storage life of the mix.
 
I run my tap water through a Brita filter and then store some in a gallon jug, and use it for all steps in processing except wash. I use the filtered water for the photo flow step too. It's not as good as distilled, but a whole lot cheaper! I've always used plain water to stop film, and only used stop bath for paper.
 
Tap water for everything including color chemicals. One of the Kodak tech reps that used to call on my studio said to never use distilled water for developers. He said kodak formulated the chemicals to take into account average mineral content in tap water. I've run over 100,000 rolls and sheets of b&w with no issues and thousands of color rolls and sheets with no issues. Also I've never seen a pro lab that uses distilled water.
 
Tap water for everything and I'm on a well. But it is very good water. One can also put a few drops of vinegar in if you're worried. Learned this from my Dad who was a professional photographer from 1934 until he retired in 1974. Only LF and did his own processing.
 
I rarely use a stop bath (mainly with fiber prints), With film it is a quick rinse - once for highly diluted developers (Rodinal 1: 100 or HC 110 1:60) and two rinses with more concentrated developers (D76 etc). The stop bath can give you "pin holes" in modern thin emulsions, so I just got into the habit of using plain tap water (It is filtered with 5 micron filters though).
 
I developed dozens of rolls with tap water for everything. No temperature measured.
Scanned and printed it - no problems. Except slightly higher water bills...
 
That was always my habit. I would use stop when processing 4x5 sheet film, though.

Cold tap water is generally fine for all uses. The exceptions are when the tap water is of relatively poor quality and hot tap water which too often contains extra disolved oxygen and "grunge" from the old water heater. Old buildings and some older neighborhoods with heavily corroded supply pipe may introduce some undesirable additions to the water. Under such conditions, using heavily filtered water or distilled water is called for. One apartment that I lived in for a while had issues that forced me to use distilled water for a final short wash and for the Photoflo. Other than that, tap water was always fine.

I did take on the habit of bringing the water used for mixing developers to nearly a simmer on the stove before cooling it to the desired "hot" water temp for mixing. This forces out the bulk of the dissolved oxygen increasing the storage life of the mix.


DO should be greater in cold water, but is perhaps not much of an issue in developer life, nor is a bit of air left in the bottle, the big problem is that caps leak air, and unless you put Saran Wrap under a screw top, or use hard to find ground glass stoppers fitted to the bottles, caps breathe air. You can experiment for yourself. Air is less than 20% O2, and probably close to 100,000 x the DO of tap water, perhaps the same for water with algae.

I have seen much longer storage life in terms of obvious oxidation in stored developers. Cheap plastic breathes and those accordion bottles they used to sell just increased the surface area to breathe. And yes, I used to sell bottles and caps and did DO and pH research for an EPA river project. ;-)

Hot water does have more disolved solids, and I do not care to drink water sitting in the house pipes all night long, so I let it run before I drink it in the morning.

The city has to keep the pH a bit high to keep from dissolving the pipes, low pH will dissolve them quickly. However, the calcite ends up lining the pipes, and almost no one flushes out the hot water tank, which probably cuts its life by 50% as the crap on the bottom makes the bottom of the tank heat up more to heat the water.

If you use chemistry at a fairly good rate, much of this remains theory, except for the Saran Wrap.

If I had it, I would use distilled water for developers, and I do use it for final rinse-- seemed to be less important in MF and larger films than 35mm.

And I agree with Tom, I use water in place of acid stop for films, but acid stop for paper, color and B&W. I believe in hardnerer in fix for films, but not papers.

Biggest problems are probably getting the right exposure, development times, scratches in the base or emulsion side and crud in the emulsion. I often wonder what Capa felt when the processor ruined all but a couple of his D Day shots by using very hot solutions causing the emulsion to run off.

Regards, John
 
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