B-9
Devin Bro
This is great!
I like the small batch approach. It may be a tad expensive in the end but you can be sure of a unique product for a unique niche.
I will try to support it when I can afford to.
I like the small batch approach. It may be a tad expensive in the end but you can be sure of a unique product for a unique niche.
I will try to support it when I can afford to.
lynnb
Veteran
Supersense launches Kickstarter for ONE INSTANT peel-apart instant film
Link to story on PetaPixel. I'd like this to come to fruition, if only because cameras like the Polaroid 250 are great fun to use, and there's the potential to get a negative off the peel-off section.
I'm not impressed by the prototype image quality shown in the article, though. One could kindly say "there's lots of room for improvement".
from the PetaPixel article:
Link to story on PetaPixel. I'd like this to come to fruition, if only because cameras like the Polaroid 250 are great fun to use, and there's the potential to get a negative off the peel-off section.
I'm not impressed by the prototype image quality shown in the article, though. One could kindly say "there's lots of room for improvement".
from the PetaPixel article:
robert blu
quiet photographer
I did it. I know it will be not easy and there is the possibility in the beginning the quality will be not perfect, let say not what we are used to. But if there is not a beginning there will be not a development and improvement.
Therefore I decided to support it, crossing fingers
and wishing all the best!
robert
Therefore I decided to support it, crossing fingers
and wishing all the best!robert
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
Time will tell, but given the way the chemistry is packaged and constituted ( I had seen a long form video and interview with the principals at the “factory” a few months ago) my guess is that, though there is lots of room for improvement, it seems unlikely to occur. Not impossible, but not a given either. Also, looking at the sample results, it is more than likely that those were not average results, those were probably the highest quality examples they could come up with out of everything they had done so far. I’m not there, so can’t say, but seems worth weighing that possibility.
While I applaud the Herculean effort, it’s a bridge too far for me personally. I will finish up the last of my Fuji 4x5 film packs, say a prayer of thanks, and let it go.
One thing though, this new film makes large format seem cheap as chips.
While I applaud the Herculean effort, it’s a bridge too far for me personally. I will finish up the last of my Fuji 4x5 film packs, say a prayer of thanks, and let it go.
One thing though, this new film makes large format seem cheap as chips.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
If a company like Supersense has to rely on kick starter funding to bring this industrial product to market, I suppose they failed to find commercial credit. Possibly to do with the design and pricing of this product. I don't mind a gamble, now and then, but this leaves me cold. All this said, I wish them well.
ian_watts
Ian Watts
€11 or so per shot is likely to limit the appeal of this film. I can see plenty of value in paying this kind of money (or considerably more) for polaroid in large format but I don't think the print size of pack film justifies the kind of methodical approach that most of us would likely adopt using film costing this much. I used to shoot quite a bit of pack film with an NPC 195 but the film was a tenth of this price and was well suited to experimentation, grab shots, etc.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Yes, I agree the cost is huge and a "crazy" ! I do not think it will be a pack film for daily or common use, but once or twice a year just to keep the Land Camera working and feel related pleasure.
In the other thread about this aizan in post 8 suggested the possibility to keep things simpler just having a negative (without the print) which could be wet printed or scanned. Maybe an idea which can also keep the cost lower...
robert
In the other thread about this aizan in post 8 suggested the possibility to keep things simpler just having a negative (without the print) which could be wet printed or scanned. Maybe an idea which can also keep the cost lower...
robert
v0sh
Established
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755997589/one-instant-analog-packfilm-re-invented/description
Let me get that straight, they want to use the money:
40% factory and machines - don't they have a factory, yet? They bought the last Fuji instant film factory, what happened to this one and the machines inside?
15% salaries - So, they already hired staff, but cannot pay them a salary?
45% ressources (materials)
Basically, they want you to pay for their whole company, including its product, of which there is only a prototype yet, that doesn't come close to meeting the quality standards their target group expects.
Of course they have to use kickstarter, cause no sane investor is going to fall for such a bad deal. They will probably get their money, but the project is going to fail miserably and I'd actually be surprised if the pack film ever hits the shelves.
Let me get that straight, they want to use the money:
40% factory and machines - don't they have a factory, yet? They bought the last Fuji instant film factory, what happened to this one and the machines inside?
15% salaries - So, they already hired staff, but cannot pay them a salary?
45% ressources (materials)
Basically, they want you to pay for their whole company, including its product, of which there is only a prototype yet, that doesn't come close to meeting the quality standards their target group expects.
Of course they have to use kickstarter, cause no sane investor is going to fall for such a bad deal. They will probably get their money, but the project is going to fail miserably and I'd actually be surprised if the pack film ever hits the shelves.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Can you give more details and the source of this information for all of us? Thanks
robert
v0sh
Established
Hi Robert,
they state so in the second paragraph (https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ant-analog-packfilm-re-invented/description):
Apparently, I got it wrong and it wasn't a Fuji Instant film factory, but they should still have a factory (building), so why do they have to rent a new one?
ian_watts
Ian Watts
I think you might be confusing this company, Supersense, with the Impossible Project. The latter did indeed acquire the old Polaroid film factory in the Netherlands. This is a new company not related to the Impossible Project other than that they have a common founder - Florian Kaps. I don't think there is any direct corporate linkage.
I agree with your general point about the use of Kickstarter.
ian_watts
Ian Watts
I think it's worth pointing out that, as far as I can tell, Supersense are not (and will not be) actually making any instant film. It seems they are acquiring the film from a (presumably limited) stored stock of the old 20x24 film made by Polaroid. The One Instant proposal is really just a means of cutting up and repackaging that old film into a format that will fit into a pack film back.
v0sh
Established
Then why do they claim THEY bought the factory back in 2006 in the "about us" section of their kickstarter project on the One Instant pack film?
Again, the link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755997589/one-instant-analog-packfilm-re-invented/description
It's the same people and the same tactics as at Impossible.
Kai-san
Filmwaster
The old Polaroid factory in the Netherlands that Impossible bought produced the Polaroid Integral film. They did not have any machines for producing the peel-apart type 100 film which Supersense is now trying to revive. The last Polaroid factory producing type 100 film was in Mexico, all the machines from that factory is scrapped. The last type 100 film was produced by Fuji, they have scrapped their machines as well. Supersense will use old base material from Polaroid and produce the developing paste needed. They will produce a single exposure pack film from these materials as a first step. The plan is to develop this concept with new materials to be introduced later. Florian Kaps has nothing to do with Impossible, now Polaroid Originals, anymore.
B-9
Devin Bro
What incentive is there for a timely turn around for those who supported?
If the campaign is paying employee salaries.
I sure hope 40% factory and machines doesn’t equate to that plywood box they’ve shown.
I like the idea, but count me out right now, the results are trash IMHO.
v0sh
Established
Impossible project is the same as Polaroid Originals, giving the company another name doesn't change this.
Kaps is one of the founders of Impossible Project, now involved in Supersense - he even started the kickstarter campaign for One Instant pack film. Still, if he's not involved in Impossible/PO anymore, then why does he (as the campaign starter on kickstarter) claim THEY (Supersense) bought that factory?
raid
Dad Photographer
If it can cost $11/image, it is costly. It is a small luxury if you want to use such film a lot.
Mackinaw
Think Different
I’m a big supporter of instant film, but not this stuff. Too expensive, with only mediocre quality, at best. No thanks, I’ll stay on the side lines.
Jim B.
Jim B.
jawarden
Well-known
The price is a hurdle, and of course if the price is that high the results must achieve peerless quality to attract those willing to buy it. I mean, if you want low quality color and contrast you can already get that with instant film elsewhere and much cheaper, right?
Just for fun I've been looking at cameras that would accept these one-shot cartridges, and they look like so much fun to use. So I hope these people find a way to make this work.
jawarden
Well-known
I don't think he's trying to fool anyone here. I read it as work he did before this project.