Al Patterson
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While I'm familiar with Leibowitz, this is the first I've heard of Richardson. He does have an impressive list of clients.
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While I'm familiar with Leibowitz, this is the first I've heard of Richardson. He does have an impressive list of clients.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Those photos of President Obama are horrid. Looks like snapshots done with a camera's built in flash. If the president were a woman, I bet the Secret Service wouldn't have let Richardson within 10 miles of her!
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
f16sunshine
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Wait,
Are some here intimating that having sex with a model is ALWAYS a taboo?
I bet there are a few hundred thousand past and present models … obscure or well known what would not only object to this assumption but also… tell such assumers to go get nicked and tend to themselves!
It's bigoted BS to assume models or female models in particular are always victims if they get busy with a photog, boss, or person of authority (although this seems to be a popular assumption generally).
I would go one further and say that insinuating such "victimhood" is sexist and does harm to the ideals of empowering women.
Rape is serious sh!t and should be treated that way.
Consensual sex is nobodies business but those involved. Even if it's on the job or a set.
Am I liberal about such things? Sure probably. I know and respect a lot of strong and empowered women that are tired of men wanting to "protect" them like they are all nothing more than daughters.
It's our insane sexually repressed societies that create people like T R.
Without this repression nothing would be sensationalized and the TR's of the world would have to come up with a different gimmick or true talent. Think about it.
Stuffing this guy(s) into a box goes no distance in taking his power or influence away.
Fact is it would probably give him more… Bash away.
Roger Hicks
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And the rest... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Prin
Always one of my heroines....
David Bailey was not always known for his rigorous puritanism either. Though no one ever accused him of rape, because it wasn't part of his world picture: I doubt it ever even occurred to him. Much the same is true of many of the photographers I knew in the late 60s/early 70s or afterwards. Where did the sexual revolution go? Answer: fortunately, it's still here. Of course middle-aged and old men don't want their daughters screwing around. But equally, when they were young (and even middle aged and in some cases old) they held/hold different views about other men's daughters.
Cheers,
R.
Ranchu
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I'm not threatened by any of these little ****s, creep rapist photographers or their cringing help. Oh scary.
However I'd like someone to explain to me how a very pretty 19yo model (for example) goes up against a rapist with 58 million a year cashflow with no witnesses. Let alone the mass of NY sycophants, wannabes, AND the corporations that pay them?
Here's some of the link above.
"120 men admitted to raping to attempting to rape. This is actually a relatively slim proportion of the survey population — just over 6% — and might be an underreport, though for part of the sample, the survey team did interviews to confirm the self-reports, which tends to show if there is an undercount in the self-reports, and found the responses consistent. But the more interesting part of the findings were how those rapists and their offenses broke down.
Of the 120 rapists in the sample, 44 reported only one assault. The remaining 76 were repeat offenders. These 76 men, 63% of the rapists, committed 439 rapes or attempted rapes, an average of 5.8 each (median of 3, so there were some super-repeat offenders in this group). Just 4% of the men surveyed committed over 400 attempted or completed rapes.
The breakdown between the modus operandi of the rapists also tells us a lot about how wrong the script is. Of all 120 admitted rapists, only about 30% reported using force or threats, while the remainder raped intoxicated victims. This proportion was roughly the same between the 44 rapists who reported one assault and the 76 who reported multiple assaults. (What the authors call “overt-force rapists” committed more sexual assaults, on average, than the “intoxication rapists” by about 6 to 3, but the parts of the sample are so small that this result did not reach statistical significance and could be sampling error rather than a real phenomenon. I’d really like an answer to that, though.
[...]
Second, the sometimes-floated notion that acquaintance rape is simply a mistake about consent, is wrong. (See Amanda Hess’s excellent takedown here.) The vast majority of the offenses are being committed by a relatively small group of men, somewhere between 4% and 8% of the population, who do it again … and again … and again. That just doesn’t square with the notion of innocent mistake. Further, since the repeaters are also responsible for a hugely disproportionate share of the intimate partner violence, child beating and child sexual abuse, the notion that these predators are somehow confused good guys does not square with the data. Most of the raping is done by guys who like to rape, and to abuse, assault and violate. If we could get the one-in-twelve or one-in-25 repeat rapists out of the population (that is a lot of men — perhaps six or twelve million men in the U.S. alone) or find a way to stop them from hurting others, most sexual assault, and a lot of intimate partner violence and child abuse, would go away. Really."
http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
Each of those rapists has a bunch of men (and women) making excuses for him, too. They help him to rape.
However I'd like someone to explain to me how a very pretty 19yo model (for example) goes up against a rapist with 58 million a year cashflow with no witnesses. Let alone the mass of NY sycophants, wannabes, AND the corporations that pay them?
Here's some of the link above.
"120 men admitted to raping to attempting to rape. This is actually a relatively slim proportion of the survey population — just over 6% — and might be an underreport, though for part of the sample, the survey team did interviews to confirm the self-reports, which tends to show if there is an undercount in the self-reports, and found the responses consistent. But the more interesting part of the findings were how those rapists and their offenses broke down.
Of the 120 rapists in the sample, 44 reported only one assault. The remaining 76 were repeat offenders. These 76 men, 63% of the rapists, committed 439 rapes or attempted rapes, an average of 5.8 each (median of 3, so there were some super-repeat offenders in this group). Just 4% of the men surveyed committed over 400 attempted or completed rapes.
The breakdown between the modus operandi of the rapists also tells us a lot about how wrong the script is. Of all 120 admitted rapists, only about 30% reported using force or threats, while the remainder raped intoxicated victims. This proportion was roughly the same between the 44 rapists who reported one assault and the 76 who reported multiple assaults. (What the authors call “overt-force rapists” committed more sexual assaults, on average, than the “intoxication rapists” by about 6 to 3, but the parts of the sample are so small that this result did not reach statistical significance and could be sampling error rather than a real phenomenon. I’d really like an answer to that, though.
[...]
Second, the sometimes-floated notion that acquaintance rape is simply a mistake about consent, is wrong. (See Amanda Hess’s excellent takedown here.) The vast majority of the offenses are being committed by a relatively small group of men, somewhere between 4% and 8% of the population, who do it again … and again … and again. That just doesn’t square with the notion of innocent mistake. Further, since the repeaters are also responsible for a hugely disproportionate share of the intimate partner violence, child beating and child sexual abuse, the notion that these predators are somehow confused good guys does not square with the data. Most of the raping is done by guys who like to rape, and to abuse, assault and violate. If we could get the one-in-twelve or one-in-25 repeat rapists out of the population (that is a lot of men — perhaps six or twelve million men in the U.S. alone) or find a way to stop them from hurting others, most sexual assault, and a lot of intimate partner violence and child abuse, would go away. Really."
http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/meet-the-predators/
Each of those rapists has a bunch of men (and women) making excuses for him, too. They help him to rape.
Brian Legge
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I'm not defending anyone here but due process exists for a reason, as does libel laws.
koven
Well-known
he has over 300k followers on twitter and just under 300k followers on instagram. He's pretty famous but I wouldnt say he affects peoples views on what photographers are like.
muser53
MUSER53
Had no idea who this sorry excuse for a human was before now I'm trying hard to forget.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Like the number of fawning idiots one attracts on these sights means anything? i'm sure Justin Bieber has more twit followers on twiiter...
Roger Hicks
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f16sunshine
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At least not any more than Ann Coulter affects peoples views of what journalists are like.
The fringes are just that… fringes.
PKR
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I would agree unless models are involved.
I spent a lot of time talking to models when I was an assistant. You can imagine the kinds of things that were pulled on them by both men and women - always with the carer / money thing leveraged. It's not a kind profession. There were some very ugly things done to some I spoke with. They would never be public with the details. The same fashion, art people were often cited. These were powerful people who controlled the photo budgets for big stores. Like M.... They got away with about anything they could think up.
Roger Hicks
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Very true. But equally -- some assistants get the sh*tty end of the stick too. I was lucky: I had a good gaffer (the late Colin Glanfield). But many were mercilessly exploited, one way or another.
How old do you have to be before you can take full responsibility for being worked over by cynical, arrogant, basically unpleasant people whose principal claim to fame was luck? Hmmm... ask any professional photographer, unless they're fooled by the same survivor bias.
Have you read Nasim Nicholas Taleb's "Fooled by Randomness"? He holds up to (just) mockery those "How To Be A Millionaire" books which say, "Millionaires are risk-takers". He then points out: so are bankrupts. It's just that millionaires get interviewed about the secrets of their success, but bankrupts aren't interviewed about how to fail.
Cheers,
R.
gb hill
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Never heard of the fellow but no doubt some of you put him in the same category as Ken Rockwell as far as disliking the poor sap. Some even perhaps a bit lower.😀
PKR
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Just one mild instance I remember..
A model who worked regularly for a big clothing store with many stores across the US, was doing a bedding ad. This shot called for nudity above the chest. So, the model is in bed with the covers pulled up to her chest – not showing anything “important”. The way these shots were done in the studio where I worked was that the model was clothed and got in bed – she then removed enough upper clothing for the picture.
In the instance of one story, an AD for the BIG STORE, told the model that she was to undress in front of the photographer and his crew and climb into bed naked for the photo described above. She was told that if she didn’t do as asked there would be no more work from a regular client of several years. This move on the ADs part was just a show of power and a reminder to the model that she would do whatever he asked.
These stories are very common. Female models are constantly hit on by both male and female members of the store’s executive staff. If you don’t play the game, you will be replaced by one who will.
Roger Hicks
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Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I read "The Black Swan", and need to read "Fooled by Randomness", it should be interesting.
PKR
Veteran
Also, addressing the question:
My trusty assistant was asked to help out with an Albert Watson shoot. Watson was in town for many days at $30k/day. My assistant worked directly under Watson’s studio manager and they talked a lot over the days worked. It seems that Watson’s studio manager had been Annie Leibovitz’s 1st assistant until he quit. The quitting is the story: Annie was working in her studio with her full crew – I’m guessing 6 or 7 people. She was photographing someone famous. Well, things weren’t going well for Annie and as usual she began a tirade on her 1st assistant. He had had enough of this telling her that he had put up with her angry comments for 2 years - whenever she had a creative problem and that he was leaving the set – and he walked. Cooling off outside the building, he found that her entire crew (having witnessed these tirades against him) followed him out the door. Annie was left alone with her portrait subject.
FA Limited
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guys bashing twitter is old get over it. just because you don't know how to use it or what it can be used for doesn't mean you have to bash it.
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