Testing the Elmar-M 50 3.5!!

Tom

Only the operator will see the 'strange gismo' (if you are using a FISON), the real advantage is it you are using a FISON and a filter when it allows a faster aperature change, without the risk of the filter being fingerprinted or dropped...

There is more than one gismo, Ive only got the cheap option. You might want to make a Tom A version?

Noel
 
I got a chance to open this with my old windows pc with semi calibrated CRT.

As opposed to the new iMAC, the images are indeed too dark and the black-dark tones have no contrast. Frankly they look terrible. The image on the iMac has bright contrasty dark tones and are a joy to view.

I guess this shows how important a decent monitor is.
 
Hey gents,

You can add a VOOLA aperture adjustment ring to the FISON. This allows you to adjust the aperture via the hood. The only problem is that to be able to adjust it you can't tighten the screw that keeps the FISON attached to the Elmar too tightly, so the whole contraption can fall off (thanks Leica! Hope you enjoyed your schnapps ration!).

This of course would explain why the VOOLA aperture ring is expensive and rare. I've seen them sell for over $100 dollars.

This is different than the dedicated VALOO 'hood' that was sold for enlarging purposes.


VALOO enlarger lens attachment
http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/images/99836.jpg

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VOOLA ring for FISION hood:

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Harry

I use the VOOLA, filter and FISON. To adjust the aperature you need to loosen the filter pinch screw, twist the hood, tighten the filter pinch screw. You don't need to dismount the filter.

Saves a little time, does not alter security. If you just use the FISON you only need thin fingers...

Noel
 
Tom A said:
From what I know about the Elmar 50f3.5, the M-mount is the same formula as the late red Scale Elmar in screw-mount. It was introduced with the M3 in 1954 as a low cost alternative and about 13000 were made in all. It is a simple 4 element design but it is also an old design that was massaged over a period of almost 40 years and Leica improved upon it with new coatings and higher index glass. The 50/2,8 came later and is basically a f3.5 that was "opened" up a bit to 2.8. I suspect that Leitz used some of their newer glass in the 2.8 - but I never really noticed a huge improvement.
The 3.5 I find a better lens for close up and medium apertures. The 2,8 is by no means a bad lens, but I find that it lacks the "bite" of the 3.5. I have both the 3.5 and the 2,8 version I and the later 50/2,8 II. The later is better, but that is to be expected, another 35 years of knowledge accumulated, but like many of the newer lenses, it was designed for color, whilst the older ones were made for black/white. Contrast was deemed more important than absolute resolution. There is a certain satisfaction in using these old lenses. For one you appreciate how good the old "masters" were, f3.5 and 40 asa film for street shooting!
Many years ago I had the 28f5.6 Summaron. A small compact wide for the screw mount Leicas. It has impressive resolution, about as good as you will ever need, but the contrast is flat as a pancake! If you print with a normal filter in the enlarger, it does look a bit lifeless and bland, but by punching up the contrast you realize that it is tack sharp. The effect is very much the same with the 50f3.5. So it is a bit slow, a "fair wether lens", but collapsed on a M2 or M3 it is truly a pocketable camera/lens combo.

Thank you for the clarifications. Tom. I also like the performance of the Elmar 5cm/3.5 lens. It has a special look somehow. You call it "bite". I noticed that while it does very nicely with classic B&W shots/images, it also have a pastel like rendering with color images.

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I have the screw mount and M mount version of the elmar 50/3.5. The outer region is not as good as the summicron from the same vintage, but such "defect" provides better isolation for the main subject, so you can have a nice and interesting bokeh, it is sharp and smooth lens. I wish Leica can make the 50/3.5 that they use on the limited Barnack available separately, and I certainly miss the Heliar 50/3.5 which I sold sometime ago.

The M mount version has much better handling!

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Since we have several users of Elmar lenses here, I want your advise which lens hood to get for the old Elmar 5cm/3.5. Is there a specific Leica lens hood and is there an alternative?
 
The "correct" hood is the ITOOY on the picture of the two 50/3.5 in the previous post. They are difficult to find though. I tend to use generic screw mount hoods that were made by either Hama/Kaiser or from a unknown japanese source. They are "E-Bayable" at around $15-20 and work fine.
 
raid said:
Since we have several users of Elmar lenses here, I want your advise which lens hood to get for the old Elmar 5cm/3.5. Is there a specific Leica lens hood and is there an alternative?
On my old 5cm/3.5 red scale Elmar, I use the FISON. I don't recall what I paid for it, but it wasn't outrageous. It was a 'bargain' rated item at KEH.

Richard
 
Summilux: this lenses look awesome! and you got a red "ball" on the Elmar 3.5! I only have a red dot like on my old Cron Coll.

Tom: I had the summicron Collapsible wich came with my M3 and mine was terrific (it defined leica quality for me). I sold it for the Rolleiflex wich was a good move and fair deal thou I allways look at those pictures in a special (maybe romantic) way and still love them. I see it as the sharpest lens I had and look forward to get a rigid sometimes in the future (maybe together with a M2 ;-)

Now ive shot with the Elmar a bit more and the resolution is very good I have to admit (rivals my Nokton 50 for sure!) Contrast is also very good and at it´s best at f8 imho, resolution is superb from f5.6 down and good at 3.5

here´s another test picture with 100crop, film used was ADOX CHS 100 (single layer b/w film!) and souped in Rodinal 1:50 ...very sharp film!
I love the detail in the brick wall esp. since it´s so low in contrast nevertheless the lens renders it on film

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