Tetenal is No More

[Ted Striker]

Have you used both and compared the results? No, you have not!
But I have.
The formulas and results are so similar that you get identical results which cannot be distinguished!!! Make a blind test, and you will see.
Again you are demonstrating your completre lack of knowledge.

Cheers, Jan

You stated that the formulations are the same. I proved that they are not.



It is you who have the complete lack of knowledge. You make incorrect statements that are demonstrably false.


Check your facts before making claims. That will help you in future.

 

[Ted Striker]

There are still a few mfg. so Kodak just has to change their partner and we have HC110 again.

I would wait a bit before spelling doom and gloom or saying that everything is ok. This is just the beginning.

You are spelling doom and gloom, not me.


I merely pointed out the facts. Tetenal is insolvent. It may be that some shortages of materials appear during turbulent times such as this. Given that, stocking up on favorite chemicals would not be unwise.

 

[Prest_400]

This is the Post by Mirko I referred to earlier:

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/tetenal.162786/page-7#post-2149388


By the recent posts here and there, seems like a management buyout is ongoing.

http://new-tetenal.de/

The formulas of all Kodak and Ilford developers are well known and documented. Each photo chemistry manufacturer can make them. Some even do already, like Foma with Excel (=XTOL).
During the Ilford insolvency in 2004/2005 e.g. Moersch made Perceptol (MicrodolX). Moersch is a one-man company.

OT but XTOL / Fomadon Excel W27 is an interesting case. I haven't seen direct and very solid comparisons but it seems quite equivalent, some say XTOL is a bit finer grained but that's anecdotical.



Fomadon comes in 1L packs which is great. IIRC XTOL had some failure issue with small packs and haven't known anything since. XTOL in Europe seems to be only in 5L!

 

[HHPhoto]

Check your facts before making claims. That will help you in future.

Nonsense.
The differences are so tiny that they are absolutely negligible. You cannot distinguish the results!
The same is valid for D76/ID11 and XTOL/EXCEL.
For a photographer it is absolutely equal.

But you don't have any interest in photography, but only in splitting hairs and doom and gloom posts. You have behaved that way as Ratty Mouse on photrio, and you are doing the same here.

Cheers, Jan

 

[jawarden]

After 172 years, Tetenal has closed down. The film resurgence was not enough to keep this photographic chemical manufacturer in business.


http://www.worldofphoto.com/meldung2.php?NID=30131857


Tetenal made all of Kodak's and Ilford's chemicals so there must be some serious scrambling going on now. Stock up while you can.

If you need chems, buy them. If you don't need them, don't. No need for panic stocking like when Acros fizzled and everyone went bananas. As others have said, chemistry is not as complex as film; If Tetenal stops production someone else will pick it up. No worries.

 

[Ted Striker]

If you need chems, buy them.

My point exactly. Thank you.

If you don't need them, don't. No need for panic stocking like when Acros fizzled and everyone went bananas. As others have said, chemistry is not as complex as film; If Tetenal stops production someone else will pick it up. No worries.

If you need a chemical, you need it. No one is saying that any of these products are going to disappear forever. But there may be a supply disruption and that can cause people problems. It's prudent to note potential disruptions and to take appropriate actions to mitigate such.


The chemical industry is full of supply disruptions that appear out of nowhere. These disruptions have real impacts when they occur.

 

[Hogarth Ferguson]

Tetenal UK is independant of Tetenal Germany. The employees will be buying Tetenal Germany and move forward.



Photosys in Michigan makes chemisty in the US, as an FYI.

 

[Ted Striker]

Nonsense.
The differences are so tiny that they are absolutely negligible. You cannot distinguish the results!
The same is valid for D76/ID11 and XTOL/EXCEL.
For a photographer it is absolutely equal.

But you don't have any interest in photography, but only in splitting hairs and doom and gloom posts. You have behaved that way as Ratty Mouse on photrio, and you are doing the same here.

Cheers, Jan

LOL. More personal attacks. Not only that, completely unfounded. I have EIGHT binders of negatives shot in the past 6 years. Well over 1000 rolls of film shot, mostly developed by Kodak HC-110.


Your ridiculous statement that I have no interest in photography shows how utterly bankrupt a position you hold. If you had a shred of decency, you'd apologize for such liable.


Would someone who has no interest in photography own a Fujifilm GF670, GF670W, GA645, TX-1 w all 3 lenses? I own them all, along with a Nikon FM2n and Canon 1V with thousands of dollars worth of lenses for those two cameras.



That's well over $8,000 in spending on camera equipment.


Further I have hundreds upon hundreds of rolls of film in my freezer. $800 worth of Acros alone.


You have nothing to offer other than personal attacks.


Nothing I have said to you or ANYONE can be remotely considered a personal attack.


If only you could say the same.

 

[jawarden]

My point exactly. Thank you.




If you need a chemical, you need it. No one is saying that any of these products are going to disappear forever. But there may be a supply disruption and that can cause people problems. It's prudent to note potential disruptions and to take appropriate actions to mitigate such.


The chemical industry is full of supply disruptions that appear out of nowhere. These disruptions have real impacts when they occur.

Looks like Hogarth's suggestion of Photosys may have a solution right now. I won't be stockpiling anything.

 

[Ted Striker]

Photosys in Michigan makes chemisty in the US, as an FYI.

Very interesting. Why are they not more well known?

 

[Ted Striker]

Looks like Hogarth's suggestion of Photosys may have a solution right now. I won't be stockpiling anything.

Again, if you want a specific formulation, Photosys isnt going to be making that any time soon, if at all. They have their own product line that offers something unique to their formulae.

 

[jawarden]

Again, if you want a specific formulation, Photosys isnt going to be making that any time soon, if at all. They have their own product line that offers something unique to their formulae.

I don't require a specific formulation of C41 chemistry, so stockpiling isn't necessary. I'll be happy to give Photosys a try (for C41 and E6) now that I know they're "local". I see prices but no way to purchase directly from their web site. I'll be happy to give them a call and figure it out when the time comes. It's curious that they're conducting business but apparently not well promoted. If I would have known about them earlier I would have given them a try by now.

 

[B-9]

I’m gonna come out and say it,

Edit: The two members who can’t seem to get along need to bury the damn hatchet.

I find it incredibly frustrating.

As for Tetenal, I hope they find a way!
I’ll be interested to hear more as this develops 😉


I have some Photosys Universal Dev. I’m planning to try after I use up the rest of my Arista.
It’s a Michigan company! Of course I need to support them!

 

[Hogarth Ferguson]

I see it the complete opposite, actually.

 

[zuiko85]

Well, it's a good thing HC-110 is so long lasting. I have one unopened bottle of the US concentrate and one that has about 75% left so I'm set for a while. Might pick up another bottle from Freestyle anyway.
Wonder if this news will cause a run on it?

 

[Ted Striker]

I’m gonna come out and say it,

Edit: The two members who can’t seem to get along need to bury the damn hatchet.

I find it incredibly frustrating.

As for Tetenal, I hope they find a way!
I’ll be interested to hear more as this develops 😉


I have some Photosys Universal Dev. I’m planning to try after I use up the rest of my Arista.
It’s a Michigan company! Of course I need to support them!

You dont see me launching personal attacks against anyone. You dont see me spouting ridiculous lies against other members. My post cannot in any way be viewed as an attack against this person. He has his own vendetta. It doesnt matter what I say.

Agreed, it is very very tiresome.

 

[Ted Striker]

Well, it's a good thing HC-110 is so long lasting. I have one unopened bottle of the US concentrate and one that has about 75% left so I'm set for a while. Might pick up another bottle from Freestyle anyway.
Wonder if this news will cause a run on it?

I'm going to grab another bottle as I'm down to the last few mls of my own supply.

 

[Ted Striker]

I don't require a specific formulation of C41 chemistry, so stockpiling isn't necessary. I'll be happy to give Photosys a try (for C41 and E6) now that I know they're "local". I see prices but no way to purchase directly from their web site. I'll be happy to give them a call and figure it out when the time comes. It's curious that they're conducting business but apparently not well promoted. If I would have known about them earlier I would have given them a try by now.

Yes, I find it somewhat amazing to just learn of this company's existence. They really fly under the radar.

 

[B-9]

You dont see me launching personal attacks against anyone. You dont see me spouting ridiculous lies against other members. My post cannot in any way be viewed as an attack against this person. He has his own vendetta. It doesnt matter what I say.

Agreed, it is very very tiresome.

Ted, ide ignore said member. Clearly their motivation is disruptive.

Carry on!

 

[Hogarth Ferguson]

Just to bolster what I said earlier, the scare tactics and survivalist mentality might want to be put on hold, for now.