raid
Dad Photographer
When I sell stuff, I blank out my memory of it. Move on,and don't worry for how much or how little the buyer of your stuff is selling it. It is his after all.
It has happened that I bought stuff here, but then found a trade with someone. I then pm the seller that "I hope it is OK that I trade the item you sold me". I always get as answer "it is your item now".
It has happened that I bought stuff here, but then found a trade with someone. I then pm the seller that "I hope it is OK that I trade the item you sold me". I always get as answer "it is your item now".
hipsterdufus
Photographer?
Raid,
It's not so much that people are reselling my items for profit as much as the fact that they are reusing my pictures and descriptions. It sure did tick me off when I saw someone using my photography to sell an item at a profit.
The only reason I even checked that the R2 was for sale was because of the guy trying to resell the M5 on RFF.
raid
Dad Photographer
This is another issue; I would also be unhappy if such a thing happened to me.
dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
I feel bad for excluding international buyers, but my experiences have been awful. One person accused me of jacking up the shipping costs, having priced the package from their country back to the US. I have no control over FedEx prices, and to be accused of trying to squeeze out $50 more on a $2000 sale was the last straw. I'm not a dealer and I just don't have the patience for the nonsense.
ferider
Veteran
More buyers than you might expect, here and on ebay, are pros. Re-selling immediately for profit, and negotiating every single buck (with shipping costs, for instance), is part of their business. Same mind-set as pawn shops, etc.
It's not a hobby market anymore. Sad, but true. Prices on ebay reflect that, too.
It's not a hobby market anymore. Sad, but true. Prices on ebay reflect that, too.
Which leads me to believe that it is important to do your homework and charge the going price for the camera on the internet. It's one thing if you actually know the person through face to face interaction... then charge what you want and give them a deal. However, if it is just an internet buyer, charge the going price.
t.s.k.
Hooked on philm
One of these days, Ebay and the whole genre will crash and burn.
There's a lot of frustrations out there.
Human decency can exist in a free market yet so many don't exercise it.
I see use going back to the basics at some point in the future...like bartering stone wheels for sheep in the Thunderdome
There's a lot of frustrations out there.
Human decency can exist in a free market yet so many don't exercise it.
I see use going back to the basics at some point in the future...like bartering stone wheels for sheep in the Thunderdome
ferider
Veteran
jsrockit, Agreed.
Price mostly reflects how quickly you want to sell.
Then again, using copyrighted material is a different matter, and also against RFF rules, AFAIK.
Price mostly reflects how quickly you want to sell.
Then again, using copyrighted material is a different matter, and also against RFF rules, AFAIK.
fanshaw
Well-known
I sold a camera to a buyer in China. It got lost in transit. When I tried to claim from the UK Post Office my claim was rejected because China does not permit the import of cameras.
skibeerr
Well-known
I appreciate the reaction of the Mods removing the ad, Ebay offers the same service ,tough very unpersonal, I had them remove ads on Ebay and Marktplaats because the seller was using my photo's.
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
With the sales I had on eBay until recently, I listed a price including shipping (not disclosing the actual costs) and listed 'shipping free'.
Nobody's gonna bicker over free shipping, right? And you would have to pay PayPal charges over shipping anyway so there's no loss there either.
But I'm done with eBay.nl as it is. As of today, they do not charge any listing fees anymore, but do take a staggering 8% commission on all sales, with a maximum of EUR 40. Add PayPal charges to that and you're paying almost 12% on any sale. For comparison, a EUR 500+ BIN sale used to cost 2.5% and 6.5% with PayPal included...
Nobody's gonna bicker over free shipping, right? And you would have to pay PayPal charges over shipping anyway so there's no loss there either.
But I'm done with eBay.nl as it is. As of today, they do not charge any listing fees anymore, but do take a staggering 8% commission on all sales, with a maximum of EUR 40. Add PayPal charges to that and you're paying almost 12% on any sale. For comparison, a EUR 500+ BIN sale used to cost 2.5% and 6.5% with PayPal included...
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skibeerr
Well-known
I have 819 100% positive ( as skibeerr )on Ebay but they have just lost me as a seller for the same reason.
willie_901
Veteran
With respect to Case 2...
So you under-price an item and then get mad because someone asks more? Why didn't you ask more?
I acknowledge that the seller is lazy, unethical and broke the law when they copied your text. But unless you registered the text with the copyright office before you placed your ad (or within 60 ? days) , you have no practical way to punish the person who stole your words (and/or photos). If you had registered copyrights, you could sue them for a lot of money (5 to 6 figures per infringement) and you'd probably win. I don't know if you could collect though without a lot of hassle.
So you under-price an item and then get mad because someone asks more? Why didn't you ask more?
I acknowledge that the seller is lazy, unethical and broke the law when they copied your text. But unless you registered the text with the copyright office before you placed your ad (or within 60 ? days) , you have no practical way to punish the person who stole your words (and/or photos). If you had registered copyrights, you could sue them for a lot of money (5 to 6 figures per infringement) and you'd probably win. I don't know if you could collect though without a lot of hassle.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
You have been very unlucky... I do sympathize with you.
Now... have you tried another venue? I've sold items in Amazon.com. The ads remain there until the item sells, Amazon takes its commission from the sale, gives you a credit for shipping and then a time frame to send the item. You get your money at either the 15th or the 30th of the month, deposited into your bank account. The seller cannot hassle you over shipping charges and all communications between sellers and buyers are initiated through Amazon.
The only downside is that if your item has never been sold, you're expected to become something like an "associate seller" to enter new items in the Amazon.com inventory. But if your item exists in the database you can go ahead. I've sold a camera, a flash and assorted books and filters without a hitch.
Take care!
Now... have you tried another venue? I've sold items in Amazon.com. The ads remain there until the item sells, Amazon takes its commission from the sale, gives you a credit for shipping and then a time frame to send the item. You get your money at either the 15th or the 30th of the month, deposited into your bank account. The seller cannot hassle you over shipping charges and all communications between sellers and buyers are initiated through Amazon.
The only downside is that if your item has never been sold, you're expected to become something like an "associate seller" to enter new items in the Amazon.com inventory. But if your item exists in the database you can go ahead. I've sold a camera, a flash and assorted books and filters without a hitch.
Take care!
purewire
Member
One thing about ebay. Don't ship worldwide if you can help it. Lots of scammers out there and if you get scammed by someone overseas, there is not much you can do.
braver
Well-known
Ah, I am done with it too. Recent round of buying and selling just took too much time and energy, even though all transaction wen really smooth. In fact, I've only great experiences selling stuff through RFF. I hate Ebay though, and have had a somewhat problematic exchange elsewhere. It's just, for what I still have and might sell, it's not enough money to really make up for the effort and chances are really slim for making a profit. I'll just sit on it, look after it, and perhaps make a hit in ten years or so when it's gotten really rare and collectible.
thambar
Shouldn't it be sharper?
Reminds me of the time that I had to sell a '64 Volvo wagon with some "issues". I decided to give it away in an essay contest for $1, the prize going the person who was the biggest masochist. It was worth the give-away, since I didn't have to deal with the types of folks who drove '60s Volvos in those days. Sometimes it's easier to just give things away than to deal with selling it to jerks.
Chris101
summicronia
Absolutely! If I have a piece of equipment, I try to give it to a friend that I know will use it. Then if they sell it later, that's fine with me.
freeranger
Well-known
I see use going back to the basics at some point in the future...like bartering stone wheels for sheep in the Thunderdome
Actually I bartered a stone wheel for a sheep last week. The very next day I was dismayed to find that the swindling bugger had gone and bartered my very own wheel for two sheep and a George Foreman grill
David Murphy
Veteran
By in large my experiences buying and selling here have been excellent (eBay is not as good, but mostly acceptable). The most significant problem I have both here and on eBay is when certain overseas buyers request or demand that I ship items without insurance and ask me to falsify shipping documents. Most overseas buyers (and sellers) on RFF are great to deal with however.
I have no problem with buyers trying to profit from items I've sold, in fact I find it mildly amusing. What they do with their own property is their God-given right. This is how markets work and provide us with choice. The freedom to buy-and-sell unhindered benefits us all in the long run.
I do occasionally sell something for less than what I consider market price, but usually only on this forum because I prefer that members here benefit (money is NOT everything!).
I have no problem with buyers trying to profit from items I've sold, in fact I find it mildly amusing. What they do with their own property is their God-given right. This is how markets work and provide us with choice. The freedom to buy-and-sell unhindered benefits us all in the long run.
I do occasionally sell something for less than what I consider market price, but usually only on this forum because I prefer that members here benefit (money is NOT everything!).