The M10 and its guts..

The M10 and its guts..

  • Kodak CCD

    Votes: 159 37.3%

  • Japanese CMOS (canon/sony)

    Votes: 142 33.3%

  • Foveon X3 (sigma/kodak)

    Votes: 109 25.6%

  • Japanese Nikon/Sony

    Votes: 16 3.8%
  • Total voters
    426
jaapv said:
It does look good, but is still in the early stages of development. The lack of microlenses and IR filter seem to be key features for an RF sensor.
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No. Microlenses are a necessity for a digital sensor. Photodiode sites are ridiculously small, and to gather enough light for good signal to noise ratio, you have to focus it down.

Also, unlike Film, photodiodes are more sensitive to a wider spectrum (UV to IR). Which is the problem. You technically need a filter for UV and IR.
 
The design of the Ms (film) is a result of ergonomics and most of all : functionnality! It was a leica screwmount and a rangefinder modernized and they made a couple in heaven!

The digital M, starting with M8 is a mimick of the old film M design. It takes only a small step to understand what a M8 or a M9 really are... Just look at the bottom plate on a M8/M9 isn't that ridiculous design just for the battery and memory card? Total waste of money and functionnality and a shame for Barnack's name and legacy. As much as I am a fanboy or an anti fanboy, this needs to be said.
 
hxpham said:
Have you seen the DR of the new Sony sensor used in the K5/D7000? Better than the M9
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Exactly right, and that's the basic tech (perhaps slightly improved?) used in the D800, which has pixels exactly the same size as in the D7000.

There are really good reasons to want more pixels and — yes — smaller pixels, as well.

For pictorial photography the problem is not that CCD is an inherently inferior technology, but rather that no one is spending the money to continue to push the tech. CCDs are just too expensive to fabricate and especially are too limited in terms of what can be done with on-chip read electronics. The big R&D money is going into CMOS, and even in scientific applications (electron microscopy, light microscopy, ultra high-throughput DNA sequencing) where CCD used to totally dominate, momentum is shifting toward CMOS detectors.
 
lcpr said:
Foveon or a full frame version of Fuji's sensor in the XP1.
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As mentioned above, Foveon would be hard or impossible to implement well for a DRF -- its cone of acceptance is too narrow for lenses that have nodal points close to the sensor plane.
 
edodo said:
Just look at the bottom plate on a M8/M9 isn't that ridiculous design just for the battery and memory card? Total waste of money and functionnality and a shame for Barnack's name and legacy. As much as I am a fanboy or an anti fanboy, this needs to be said.
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Yes. Agreed.
 
Shade said:
I wonder if the M10 will be a significant improvement like M9 was over the M8.
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As a current M9 owner and former M8-cum-M8.U owner, I find the improvements subtle at best, and just bordering on my subjective definition of significance. So to get me to buy, Leica will need to make the M10 really eclipse the M9 in some way or ways that strongly impact my shooting. Things like high-ISO noise, live-view, video capability and high-res monitor are of little importance to me. The thing that would truly impress me to buy is there are no issues, quirks, glitches and bugs like red-edge, card incompatbilites, or cracking sensors...you know, like 99% of cameras costing a fraction as much. ...like my 8 yr old Canon 20d that has never so much as needed a battery-out reboot.
 
Wish list
- M10 with improved Kodak CCD (noise free at ISO3200)
- M10 with Leica Auto focus lens..:D
- Film emulator menu on camera, can choose; Tmax, TriX, Velvia, Provia,Pan50



Just in my dream,...
 
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Ben Z said:
As a current M9 owner and former M8-cum-M8.U owner, I find the improvements subtle at best, and just bordering on my subjective definition of significance. So to get me to buy, Leica will need to make the M10 really eclipse the M9 in some way or ways that strongly impact my shooting. Things like high-ISO noise, live-view, video capability and high-res monitor are of little importance to me. The thing that would truly impress me to buy is there are no issues, quirks, glitches and bugs like red-edge, card incompatbilites, or cracking sensors...you know, like 99% of cameras costing a fraction as much. ...like my 8 yr old Canon 20d that has never so much as needed a battery-out reboot.
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Hey stop that sane talking. You really need to work on your unrealistic expectations.
 
i'm quite happy with the M9.

I'll wait to see what Leica actually produces and calls "M10", and then decide whether it interests me. I see no point to speculating on what might do a 'better' job. All cameras are compromises.
 
I love the IQ of the M8 and M9. If switching to another sensor than CCD means a different rendering, than I'd be disappointed even if it brings higher ISO's and more dynamic range.
Now if they can keep the same look with another sensor and improve on other criterias, why not.
 
Unless I'm being an utter quarter wit, its not going to be a CCD sensor, since Kodak have now distanced themselves from digital development :confused: Or am I missing something?
 
Would like to see a Foveon, as I really like the results from DP-1 and SD15, but the world wants high ISO performance, so it won't happen.
 
No colour, no screen, bigger buffer, sync connector, $1k less, - but I said that last time round, before the M9 and they took no notice.
 
Just heard from my sources

Just heard from my sources

The new sensor is in the shape of a geodesic dome; each pentagonal panel of the dome will be a tiny sub 1-megapixel sensor. Sum total to be 42 megapixels (taking on the competitive challenge thrown down my Nokia).

The dome shape will allow for far simpler processing design since light rays passing through a lens at any angle will strike the sensor at right angles. This has long been the bane of digi-camera designers trying to coax perpendicular pixel sites to receive photons arriving at an angle.
 
Sensor whatever, I want :

Faster (20ms shutter lag, zoom in, etc)
Lighter
Weather sealing
Longer battery life
OLED HD screen
OLED Top plate info display
1/8000 top speed
Grippy covering like Nikon F6
Recessed strap lugs
 
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