Perhaps those amatuers skimp on other things in order to afford an M9, such as a house, a car, expensive clothing, etc? The only thing of real value that I have is my M9 and my life.
gavinlg
Veteran
Perhaps those amatuers skimp on other things in order to afford an M9, such as a house, a car, expensive clothing, etc? The only thing of real value that I have is my M9 and my life.
Hehe... I'm a working photographer and this crosses my mind from time to time. So romantic - just you, your leica, and the world.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Perhaps those amatuers skimp on other things in order to afford an M9, such as a house, a car, expensive clothing, etc? The only thing of real value that I have is my M9 and my life.
And all your organs I hope!
And all your organs I hope!
Well, yeah... but that goes along with life for me.
theno23
Established
On this topic has everyone seen the interview with Stefan Daniel? He talks a bit about the future of M-mount cameras, and it sounds like CMOS is on the cards.
http://www.megapixel.co.il/english/archive/23834
“Q: Do you see any demand from your M line users for video in their cameras and is there a chance we shall see a move from CCD to CMOS in the M10?
A: Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future.
Q: If you look at the DXOMARK results of the M9 you can see that the ISO marks are considerably lower than other full frame cameras. Do you see this as one of the major things you would like to improve in the next M version?
A: The reason why this is lower lies in the special circumstances of the M-System. It is quite complicated, but I will try to make it short: M-lenses hit the sensor in a flat angle, therefore they are the most compact on the market and older lenses are compatible with M8 and M9. This flat angle will not allow us to use interference IR cut coating on the sensor cover glass, as this would cause uncontrollable color fringes. Instead of, we use an absorption filter, which is not sensible to different light angles, but does filter much more of the visible light as interference filters, and therefore the signal from the sensor needs to be amplified much more which results in a lower light sensitivity. Of course, having a higher sensitivity of the sensor is an issue and we put a significant amount of effort in improving this.”
http://www.megapixel.co.il/english/archive/23834
“Q: Do you see any demand from your M line users for video in their cameras and is there a chance we shall see a move from CCD to CMOS in the M10?
A: Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future.
Q: If you look at the DXOMARK results of the M9 you can see that the ISO marks are considerably lower than other full frame cameras. Do you see this as one of the major things you would like to improve in the next M version?
A: The reason why this is lower lies in the special circumstances of the M-System. It is quite complicated, but I will try to make it short: M-lenses hit the sensor in a flat angle, therefore they are the most compact on the market and older lenses are compatible with M8 and M9. This flat angle will not allow us to use interference IR cut coating on the sensor cover glass, as this would cause uncontrollable color fringes. Instead of, we use an absorption filter, which is not sensible to different light angles, but does filter much more of the visible light as interference filters, and therefore the signal from the sensor needs to be amplified much more which results in a lower light sensitivity. Of course, having a higher sensitivity of the sensor is an issue and we put a significant amount of effort in improving this.”
It sounds like the M10 will not be a M camera as we have known it. Perhaps the end of an era.
luuca
Well-known
sad but true, I must take care of my "poor" ccd-based M9...
LeicaFan
Well-known
Why, because the next M camera might have a video function?
When the M6 came out, people probably said that it was an end of an era because the new camera had a meter.
When the M7 came out, people probably said that it was an end of an era because the new camera had an Aperture Priority mode.
When the M8 came out, people probably said that it was an end of an era because Leica finally went digital (with the M bodies, at least).
Leica needs to keep up with the times in order to survive.
As long as the cameras continue to use the M Mount, look similar, and function similarly to the previous bodies, I don't see much of a problem.
... Unless I missed something in the article (which may very well be the case - I've been busy with work so my attention span is dwindling).
Partly, yes. However, I just don't even think it'll look like a M camera anymore. It's JUST an opinion.
I doubt it...they were still undeniably M cameras. Perhaps the M5.
Probably true.
I agree... but for some reason, I just feel like the M10 won't resemble the M camera as we currently know it.
LeicaFan
Well-known
I don't know if Leica will change the look of it. What is the incentive? What is there to gain?
Leica has kept the M bodies very similar for 60 years. It is very easy to recognize a Leica because of that. Changing the design now would undo everything.
Just my opinion...
Leica has kept the M bodies very similar for 60 years. It is very easy to recognize a Leica because of that. Changing the design now would undo everything.
Just my opinion...
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Maybe they do need to break a little with tradition ... but if they offend their loyal followers with something that doesn't shout 'Leica' from fifty feet away all hell could break loose!
celluloidprop
Well-known
If/when the M10 debuts (Leica sell all the M9s they can produce, so there's not a hurry on their part to devalue a lot of folks' $7-8k investment), it will be a CMOS sensor. Similar megapixels, better high-ISO performance.
Shade
Well-known
Maybe not, since kodak has now sold their sensor division.. I think kodak will still be used..
Leica has said CMOS is the future... it's in a interview available on the internet somewhere.
theno23
Established
It's linked in post #86 in this thread.
Darthfeeble
But you can call me Steve
CMOS, Gimmee the ISO!
ajuk
Established
Why can't I vote for T-max, Leica make no distinction between it's digital and film in it's model numbering scheme, so the M10 could in theory a film model before the Digital M11.
jaapv
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bwcolor
Veteran
The Fujifilm "LX" rumors have it using organic sensor technology, which seems ideal for a top end rangefinder camera. The buzz now is that Leica wants in on the act. Assuming that the Kodak spinoff is out and that everyone has a Sony sensor, Fuji does make sense. A 60Mpix full frame organic sensor is possible, but don't know about the timeline. Of course, like any new technology, the reality is always less than the promise.