Marc-A. said:
Now, it is disgusting !
We are talking about a camera and a big corporation and marketing policy; and you bring morality, trust, and respect for the choice of the others into the discussion. Did Jorge sign a contract with Leitz? Did you? Did I? You speak about respect; but respect for whom? Do you know persons, workers who are harmed by all this? To whom would you apply the harm principle? And who should apply it? Do you know if the Leica has not let some leaks happened, just in order to make a lot of people talk about the M8? Is it a coincidence that there are information leaks just a month before the purported official release of the M8 (we don’t even know if the M8 will be released at the Photokina!)? And talking about press, I think internet sites and blogs will do the job for Leica in a much more effective way than the press (for instance, I'm interested in photography and RF stuffs, but I don’t read magazines on photographical gear, I only read them when they are about art like the French magazine Connaissance des Arts Photo)
In a thread dedicated to rudeness, I shouldn’t say that, but as my philosophical speciality is moral (and political) philosophy and as a famous philosopher, Harry Frankfurt, wrote a book about Bull****, let me call all this discussion bull****. This is not directed to your person, Finder, it is just that some of your statement seem to me simply irrelevant.
I agree with Borger on one point: I’m off the discussion.
Best,
Marc
Marc, you missed my target. The snitch is the person who was obtained the information from Leica and then passed it on. Those people do fall under the non-disclosure agreement. Essentially they are stealing. I am not talking about Jorge.
BTW, companies are people. People make cameras. People market those cameras. Those people work in an atmosphere of trust. When one of those individuals decides he is going to take something given to him in confidence and give it away without the conscent or consideration of the group he works with, then yes, I think that is disgusting. How would you feel if someone you worked with sent out your work without your permission or knowledge? Would you embrace that person as a hero?
No, I do not believe Leica organized a leak. They would use the industry press - both the print and web press. They will use places like DPreview and they will be giving them the whole picture, not snipets. Now, maybe you know more about the inner workings of Leica, but my five years experience at a Japanese camera manufacturer working along side the engineers, marketers, quality assurance department, and cutomer service department to work in the development and release of film and digital cameras give me a sense that Leica would not leak this information this way. The web insider myth is either some joker playing the insider or someone breaking the trust given them by the company for thier own self-gratification; it is not the way companies market their products.
I may also have a little bit of an idea what these leaks might cause. You see, my company has had to deal with the same problem. You think the leak of information would not put an employee on the spot? You don't think knowing someone in your company cannot be trusted does no harm? The marketing department is also people and they are held accountable.
Then we need to deal with patents and trademarks which are related to body design. Companies don't release design data until all of these isssues have settled. In a perfect world, someone would not take advantage of a leak of information to make a patent or trademark claim to extort a company, but the world is not perfect. Did anyone check it was OK to release the body images? If there is a problem with this, you think there is no fall out?
You seem to have a strange idea of a peopleless corportation that functions like a machine. That does not exist. Our leak cases put some people in suspicion. It caused our handling of our information to be reviewed and changed, so someone has to take on that extra work. Most changes impacted sales and dealerships as we could not trust them and so information was not handled freely. This made their job harder.
Leaks cause harm. No one here is going to have to deal with the fall out directly. The people at the company have to deal with it.
