Time for a 35?

Geoff Smith

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OK, I know this is an enabling sort of post, and it's one of my first (if not my first) here (but I've benefitted enormously from the discussions, recommendations and observations I've read here so far -- thanks all!), but I think I need (really want) a 35mm lens. I've been building up a Leica system for the last 6 mos.-1 yr., first a collapsable 50mm Summicron (very early sn., 109xxxx, but in nice shape and good price, love the 'fingerprint') on an M6 classic. I shot with just this combo for about 3-4 mos. to get used to rangefinder photography in general (had been an Olympus OM-10 and later Canon EOS user only prior).

Then some music/concert projects came my way and I picked up a nice ostensibly "used" 90mm 'cron, pre-ASPH, from KEH (they rated it only EX but I'm darned if I can find any reason why it shouldn't be mint). This worked great for head and shoulders portraits and life was good. Since then I've also picked up a Summilux (again, last pre-ASPH version) for lower-light/night stuff (usually w/ Fuji Neopan 1600 -- a great match!) and, on somewhat of a whim, a Voigtlander 28mm f/1.7 so I can do the Winogrand thing when I want to.

Now. The 28 is nice, but I'm left-eyed (us poor sods) and big-nosed to boot (I know -- a double whammy, but I'm dealing with it). What this means, to me (never mind what the women I've known have said), is that I have trouble seeing all of the 28mm frameset at once and so find it hard to compose in this focal length (sort of like an eyeglass wearer would with a .72x finder, I guess). I've taken to manually selecting the 35mm framelines for composition and then cropping after the fact. This is not good, esp. with higher speed film. I think it's time to face facts and pick up a real 35. The ultimate "environmental portrait" and wide-normal lens? (the 28 honestly doesn't see that much use because of the above issue and the fact that it tends to take in so much of the scene that contrast ratio becomes a problem for me).

Am I nuts? If not, then which one? I like small, the pocketable nature of the old, collapsable 'cron keeps it on the camera more than perhaps its ultimate image quality would dictate (though it's a great look). I'm thinking 4th version f/2 Summicron for a 35mm (I tend to prefer the slightly softer, more nostalgic -- if it can be put that way -- character of the penultimate lenses). Am I close? Any reason not to? This would be my, as I said, environmental portrait lens and my wide lens when I don't want to take in a street scene from head to toe/tip to tail.

Whew! I could probably have said this in a lot fewer words, but (and I hope I haven't inconvenienced anyone) I thought it would be a good Idea to put some context around this request for recommendation (an RFR as we would say in the consulting industry). Anyway, thanks again for all the great threads I've read through, hope my first real attempt at participation doesn't leave anyone saying "use the search, dummy." 🙂
 
Nice idea. I was also thinking of a Summicron 35/2 until I saw the prices!

I have an M6 TTL + Elmar-M 50mm f/2.8 (which I like very much so far) and was thinking, like you, that a 35mm would have some use. But not enough to justify 600 - 900 GB pounds for a used Summicron. I am considering a new Voigtlander Color Skopar 35/2.5 PII M mount with LH-4 hood instead. (About 280 GBP)

Good review (from a photographer I respect) here.....

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=008ESj
 
For a wide-normal focal length, I like 40mm, such as the M-Rokkor or Summicron-C. If it must be 35mm, get a nice Summaron, either f/3.5 or f/2.8. (See the Summaron albums in my Gallery.) The 35mm Summicrons usually seem to be overpriced.
 
I agree one of the Voigtlander Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 variations would be excellent optically, quite compact, and affordable. I have the 50mm Skopar, like it, and don't have the 35 because I already had a 35mm Summicron. Well, it's very compact too, and there's that warm and comfy feeling when there's a 'cron on the cam! 🙂 And that's partly through long familiarity, as I got it new in 1967. Here's a couple shots from it; the second one wide open.
 
But if I could easily afford one, I would get a 35/2 Summicron (ASPH or non-ASPH) like a shot 🙂
 
You have a large set of lenses to choose from in that focal length. My recommendation would be to determine your spending constraints and your speed requirements, and then to look at the subset of lenses and make a decision made on ergonomics and 'look'. Of course, that's the logical way of purchasing a lens, and is usually supplanted by the 'gotta-have-one-of-those' method or the 'look-at-that-bargain-better-grab-it-quick' method (at least in my personal experience)!

I have the 35 pre-asph lux (a classic soulmate of the M6), the 40 summicron (sharp and smooth), and the 35 Color-skopar (bought for use with my Canon P - yet to be fully tested). You may notice that these are all very compact - a big plus point for me. If that's not important to you, you may wish to also consider the Voigtlander 25mm Ultron and the Konica Hexanon 35.
 
The VC 35/1.7 Ultron is very nice and a good price if you need a low light lens - though not for the nostalgic/lower contrast look and also larger than most lenes mentioned above.
 
Geoff Smith said:
I like small, the pocketable nature of the old, collapsable 'cron keeps it on the camera more than perhaps its ultimate image quality would dictate (though it's a great look). I'm thinking 4th version f/2 Summicron for a 35mm (I tend to prefer the slightly softer, more nostalgic -- if it can be put that way -- character of the penultimate lenses). Am I close? Any reason not to?

One reason: the price of the 4th version Summicron is IMHO way to close to the Summicron ASPH. But given your preferences (pocketable, softer) the price can be justified. Many people seem to share your preferences.
 
Thanks for all the responses, everyone. Interesting, I hadn't considered a number of the options suggested. For my shooting style and subjects, I think I shouldn't go with anything slower than f/2. But, looking around, you're right JoNL, the pirces are close. From dealers, the 35mm pre-ASPH seems to hover around US$1000-$1200 and the ASPH around $1500. Private sellers a bit lower. Might just have to wait for a great deal to drop into my lap, or possibly one of the f/2.5 Voigtlander 35s to tide me over (hard to beat ~$230 for a Skopar 'C' brand new, but then I'm giving up 1/2 a stop). Hmm...

Thanks again...
 
Another 35mm choice

Another 35mm choice

I just sent you a message about an alternative choice: the Konica Hexar AF.
 
richard_l said:
For a wide-normal focal length, I like 40mm, such as the M-Rokkor or Summicron-C. If it must be 35mm, get a nice Summaron, either f/3.5 or f/2.8. (See the Summaron albums in my Gallery.) The 35mm Summicrons usually seem to be overpriced.

I agree with Richard.

Having seen and used a friend's pre-asph 35/cron. I really could not distinguish the photos from the same set I took with my 40/cron-C. Even the focal length is for all intents and purposes, the same. The 40/cron-c and 40/rokkor-m are both anywhere from $300-$350 for excellent samples. 1/4 the price of the pre-asph 35/cron. Equally compact and sharp wide open.

Check them out and you might just stumble onto the best kept secret in Leicadom 😀 Shhhhhhhh ...... 😉
 
Slinke, thanks, got your PM. I think if I was going to go that direction (another body), I'd probably just get an Olympus Stylus Epic, which sports a supposedly unusually sharp (for a P&S) fixed 35mm lens that goes down to f/2.8, to play around with and see how well the 35mm focal length works for me (in fact I may do just this while waiting for a decent deal on a Leica 35 for my M6 -- I think they're all of $80).

Tom, I like the idea of a 40mm lens in theory. Never used one. Especially anticipating a Digital M with its reported 1.33x crop factor (can't get much closer to normal than that), I could see it being quite useful. I've read Mike Johnston on this focal length as well and sounds like it's got a lot going for it. What frameset do they bring up again? And there's something involving a file to make it bring up a more ammenable set?
 
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