MiniMoke
Well-known
Yes, I have become tired of scanning, and I sold my latest scanner, the not so bad Canoscan 9000F MkII.
But what now? Well I am outsourcing the job - seems to be the latest trend globally anyways.
I found a lab in Germany who are doing a pretty good job and extremely fast!
I sent my first test film (Test for the lab and the 'new' Oly XA2) on Monday 9th, in the afternoon and I got the download link for the scans yesterday, 12th. Pretty impressive speed!
The quality (I chose the highest resolution they offer) is very good - better that all I did get out of my numerous scanners I owned, just the Nikon Coolscan IV came somewhat close, but only close.
And then there's the extreme gain in time! For me this gives Film the ultimate edge over digital (at least until the next GAS attack or lottery win...).
If you want to take a look at their offering and prices, here's the address:
www.MeinFilmLab.de
They speak german and english and are impressively fast to answer any requests. Even if you have any special requirements, they can discuss it with you.
Just to make sure everyone understands, I am not affiliated with them in any way and will not benefit from this post.
Give them a try, it's really worth it.
Here are some pictures, only lightly touched by Lightroom.
And why not check out my Blog and Flickr too ?
Tracks by Frank Lehnen, on Flickr
Stop smoking! by Frank Lehnen, on Flickr
Do ! by Frank Lehnen, on Flickr
Corrugated shed by Frank Lehnen, on Flickr
But what now? Well I am outsourcing the job - seems to be the latest trend globally anyways.
I found a lab in Germany who are doing a pretty good job and extremely fast!
I sent my first test film (Test for the lab and the 'new' Oly XA2) on Monday 9th, in the afternoon and I got the download link for the scans yesterday, 12th. Pretty impressive speed!
The quality (I chose the highest resolution they offer) is very good - better that all I did get out of my numerous scanners I owned, just the Nikon Coolscan IV came somewhat close, but only close.
And then there's the extreme gain in time! For me this gives Film the ultimate edge over digital (at least until the next GAS attack or lottery win...).
If you want to take a look at their offering and prices, here's the address:
www.MeinFilmLab.de
They speak german and english and are impressively fast to answer any requests. Even if you have any special requirements, they can discuss it with you.
Just to make sure everyone understands, I am not affiliated with them in any way and will not benefit from this post.
Give them a try, it's really worth it.
Here are some pictures, only lightly touched by Lightroom.
And why not check out my Blog and Flickr too ?
Tracks by Frank Lehnen, on FlickrStop smoking! by Frank Lehnen, on FlickrDo ! by Frank Lehnen, on FlickrCorrugated shed by Frank Lehnen, on Flickr
k__43
Registered Film User
I tried that route too but it didn't work out for me. At 11€ you get 1000dpi scans and my experience with automated lab scanners is that they rank up the contrast a lot to give you shots that seem to pop (which also makes it easier to get shadow and highlight color balance in check). - as in your examples
I get the same deal locally here btw.
Their size L is only a tiny bit better and even XL is outperformed by my LS8000. I paid 1000€ for that scanner - at these prices it already paid for itself AND i get better scans.
[EDIT] I just saw they are giving you an option on contrast/white balance upon order - this has a nice touch, but then: who would order high contrast scans ? people shoot film but are too clumsy to push a slider existing in even the worst photo software?
I get the same deal locally here btw.
Their size L is only a tiny bit better and even XL is outperformed by my LS8000. I paid 1000€ for that scanner - at these prices it already paid for itself AND i get better scans.
[EDIT] I just saw they are giving you an option on contrast/white balance upon order - this has a nice touch, but then: who would order high contrast scans ? people shoot film but are too clumsy to push a slider existing in even the worst photo software?
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Well, Frontier scans are Frontier scans. Good for printing at minilab scale, but not really intended for anything else. It should be possible to create some default processing in Photoshop or Lightroom to massage them into something more useful, but they will never reach the quality of a good individual scan...
brbo
Well-known
I understand if you don't have time, don't like scanning, find it a chore that you don't want to do, you like Fuji Frontier scans (I do)...
But at those prices, you can buy the best desktop 35mm scanner (a Minolta 5400) even if you shoot only a small amount of film. Hell, you can buy one of those scanners every year (if you only shoot 20 rolls of film per year!) for that kind of money, if you are concerned about longevity of those scanners.
IMHO you pay way too much for somewhat quicker turnaround compared to European drug store chains (DM, Müller) that will develop and scan the film for a fraction of that price.
But at those prices, you can buy the best desktop 35mm scanner (a Minolta 5400) even if you shoot only a small amount of film. Hell, you can buy one of those scanners every year (if you only shoot 20 rolls of film per year!) for that kind of money, if you are concerned about longevity of those scanners.
IMHO you pay way too much for somewhat quicker turnaround compared to European drug store chains (DM, Müller) that will develop and scan the film for a fraction of that price.
MiniMoke
Well-known
I have tried the local photography stores (such as there are still in business) and of course they offer scanning too, but the resolution was ridiculous. Barely good for posting on the web.
No way to ramp up the resolution for them - and they mostly send the film to Fuji in the Netherlands to get them processed, so it should be the same Frontier scanners.
Normally I have to wait about 2 weeks for my scans to return.
I am very happy with the resolution of my scans at MeinFilmLab (XL size at 3649×5444), and the color and contrast come out quite OK. In my humble opinion at least....
At the price of 200€ for a new cheap Canoscan 9000F MkII from Amazon that gives me a LOT of work and much less quality and resolution, I can have a dozen rolls developed and scanned.
B/W I develop myself and send them the rolls for scanning at 12€ in highest resolution.
Now if I factor in a really good film scanner like a Nikon LS8000 at about 1000 € if I could find one in a reasonably good condition, and always leaving a margin for an overhaul if I get a dud, I can get 60 rolls developed.
That covers me for about 2 years at my pace! And the scanner WILL fail one day and have to be replaced.
I can't speak for everyone, but for me this makes sense!
And wifey if happy as there is no monstrous scanner on the desk in the living-room :angel:
No way to ramp up the resolution for them - and they mostly send the film to Fuji in the Netherlands to get them processed, so it should be the same Frontier scanners.
Normally I have to wait about 2 weeks for my scans to return.
I am very happy with the resolution of my scans at MeinFilmLab (XL size at 3649×5444), and the color and contrast come out quite OK. In my humble opinion at least....
At the price of 200€ for a new cheap Canoscan 9000F MkII from Amazon that gives me a LOT of work and much less quality and resolution, I can have a dozen rolls developed and scanned.
B/W I develop myself and send them the rolls for scanning at 12€ in highest resolution.
Now if I factor in a really good film scanner like a Nikon LS8000 at about 1000 € if I could find one in a reasonably good condition, and always leaving a margin for an overhaul if I get a dud, I can get 60 rolls developed.
That covers me for about 2 years at my pace! And the scanner WILL fail one day and have to be replaced.
I can't speak for everyone, but for me this makes sense!
And wifey if happy as there is no monstrous scanner on the desk in the living-room :angel:
MiniMoke
Well-known
Yes longevity is a concern for me, and scanners as the Minolta in reasonably good condition will get rarer year by year...
Prest_400
Multiformat
I feel it too. I was thinking about getting a V550-V600 for MF at least. Currently I'm sending film to a lab and the Frontier Scans they do are great (3400x2400) for 35mm but the $$ add up nicely and I'm a student on a budget.
Given that I shoot 6x9 sometimes I'd wish for more control and file output and I'm thinking that the slower pace of shooting 6x9 will not make scanning as tedious. Many people have V600s and seem to get quite good results from it for Medium Format.
35mm does seem quite hard though with the sheer quantity of frames and the low true resolution of flatbeds.
Given that I shoot 6x9 sometimes I'd wish for more control and file output and I'm thinking that the slower pace of shooting 6x9 will not make scanning as tedious. Many people have V600s and seem to get quite good results from it for Medium Format.
35mm does seem quite hard though with the sheer quantity of frames and the low true resolution of flatbeds.
k__43
Registered Film User
I'd still favor a Minolta if I wouldn't need MF scanning too.
I once made a comparison between my choices I had in that moment - I was like you fed up of single frame scanning with the Plusteks and the bad quality of a flatbed. I got tjhe Canon FS4000 that was capable of 6 frame batch scanning at a quality higher than the Plustek.
Here is the whole frame as scanned by the lab
http://kayknofe.de/_Fuji_Frontier.JPG
and here the 100% crop comparison between V500, Plustek8200, lab and FS4000
http://kayknofe.de/ComparesCrop.jpg
The point is: I find that even down scaled to internet size (i.e. sub 1000dpi equivalent) I think one sees a difference if you do not resharpen things - I had something on my server for that too but I can't find it now.
I know it's a different thing if you print with a sane enlargement - but who wouldn't like to have to potential to print bigger
I once made a comparison between my choices I had in that moment - I was like you fed up of single frame scanning with the Plusteks and the bad quality of a flatbed. I got tjhe Canon FS4000 that was capable of 6 frame batch scanning at a quality higher than the Plustek.
Here is the whole frame as scanned by the lab
http://kayknofe.de/_Fuji_Frontier.JPG
and here the 100% crop comparison between V500, Plustek8200, lab and FS4000
http://kayknofe.de/ComparesCrop.jpg
The point is: I find that even down scaled to internet size (i.e. sub 1000dpi equivalent) I think one sees a difference if you do not resharpen things - I had something on my server for that too but I can't find it now.
I know it's a different thing if you print with a sane enlargement - but who wouldn't like to have to potential to print bigger
MiniMoke
Well-known
I think for MF a Flatbed if great. It just doesn't cut it for 35mm film.
I had the V600 and the Canoscan 9000F MkII and I found the Canon better (and cheaper) than the Epson....
MiniMoke
Well-known
Sure, the Canon wins in your comparison! No question!
The lab resolution is 1800 x 1200 according to the file infos, isn't it? Not the full res the Frontier allows, so it could be a draw between Canon and lab scan!
k__43
Registered Film User
Yeah .. that's true, not even 1000dpi
But still the canon is real 4000dpi - for about 200€ with the problem of a noisy CCD and the difficulty to find one with a good CCF lamp (hence my upgrade to the LED driven Nikon, on a side note: the CCFL produced great colors and was super awesome with C41 b/w films)
But still the canon is real 4000dpi - for about 200€ with the problem of a noisy CCD and the difficulty to find one with a good CCF lamp (hence my upgrade to the LED driven Nikon, on a side note: the CCFL produced great colors and was super awesome with C41 b/w films)
traveler_101
American abroad
I am with the OP as to my feeling about scanning: absolutely hate it and I always have a backlog. I can say that developing is still fun, but scanning . . . . I just can't stand cutting and placing the negatives into the scanning tray. But at the same time I am not paying €11 a roll to have my film scanned. It's a dilemma.
rjstep3
Established
Perhaps I am the only one - I find scanning quite therapeutic. I have scanned in all my old phots, they are now in hanging files, all numbered and cross-referenced.
I find it quite a nice job to judge the scan, then do a little work in PS to make the shot have something special - that is what photography should be about.
rjstep3
I find it quite a nice job to judge the scan, then do a little work in PS to make the shot have something special - that is what photography should be about.
rjstep3
photomoof
Fischli & Weiss Sculpture
For my personal work on the web or cataloging, almost anything will do, as long as it is clean, and not too manipulated. For exhibiting or client work, obviously one has a drum scan made.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I recently switched to a mirrorless digital camera and macro lens setup and haven't looked back. A $20 copy stand, a $10 film carrier, a $50 light pad, and about $150 for a Pentax screwmount macro, adapter, and extension rings. Took a day to get it all set up right and make some Lightroom presets but it's very fast and the results are great.
edit: of course I already had the camera.
edit: of course I already had the camera.
raytoei@gmail.com
Veteran
i scan mine at 3000x2000, a whole roll of uncut film under 5mins (!) using the Pakon 135+
though no longer cheap (i bought mine at 250 before shipping), it is still worth a look.
http://www.aaaimaging.com/other-equipment/scanners/kodak-pakon-f135-film-scanner.html
I still have my 3200 ppi minolta but i keep that around in case i need to scan at grain level.
raytoei
though no longer cheap (i bought mine at 250 before shipping), it is still worth a look.
http://www.aaaimaging.com/other-equipment/scanners/kodak-pakon-f135-film-scanner.html
I still have my 3200 ppi minolta but i keep that around in case i need to scan at grain level.
raytoei
kiemchacsu
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Lauffray
Invisible Cities
f16sunshine
Moderator
I have the Pakon also from when it cost $250.
It's convenient but not super. I sold my nikon cs50 and the post office broke it in shipping.
It's back now. Anywhere to send it for repair ? (Small plastic internal parts).
It's convenient but not super. I sold my nikon cs50 and the post office broke it in shipping.
It's back now. Anywhere to send it for repair ? (Small plastic internal parts).
This is the route I'd go at this point.