ywenz
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As long as digital photography develop to a point where it can match or exceed film in ALL manners, then I don't have a problem at all with film photography going away.
None whatsoever.
None whatsoever.
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Socke
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photogdave said:
A friend selling presentation equipment had a film scanner and a film recorder until three years ago, he recorded powerpoint presentations on slide film for the local university.
Then there was no digital projector bright enough for a big audience in a large room.
When the shutter on the SLR body attached to the film recorder failed, he stopped this service since the demand was to low to finance a shutter repair.
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ch1
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tedwhite said:
Ted,
While I wish you were correct, this is on the CNN website today:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/04/25/big_engine_sales.reut/index.html
bmattock
Veteran
ywenz said:
Hint: Your approval not required. They didn't ask me, either.
beethamd
Unix-like
A 20y old analogue Roberts Radio outperforms any DAB radio by a coutry mile (on live Radio 3 broadcasts, I'd say ten country miles). A £300 Rega Planar 3 turntable outperforms a £300 Arcam Alpha 7 SE CD player by a big margin. My 20 year old Yashica FX3-super with a £40 CZ planar lens outperforms any digital camera I'v ever seem images from, including the 1DS Mk II. My Seiko, manual watch (bought a couple of weeks ago for £60 including delivery) has lost 2 seconds since I bought it. My mechanical lawn mower, which is over 60 years old (the ones you push) gives us the best lawn in the village. My PC, with Linux, runs faster and is more reliable than any of my friend's PCs or any of my PCs at work and it's nearly ten years old.
So, for quality, old is usually best - and the best old stuff is usually built to last. They can turn off FM broadcasts, and I'll go to more concerts. My computer could break, and I'll spend £50 on a new one. All three of my FX-3s are unlikely to break, but if they did I've got plently of Contaxs to back them up. So, as much as big companies want us to spend fortunes on expensive and inferior products - I say, for me - no way. But if they stopped making film - we'd be goosed. There is no way out of that predicament.
For now, there's still loads of film out there, really - so much to choose from. Cosina and Zeiss are maiking new stuff, Leica too. Postcard paper is back, new warmtone developer from Ilford too. Loads of nice cheep second hand bargains all over ebay - vinyl is is so, so cheep, the lawn's lookin' great ...
I'm happy.
So, for quality, old is usually best - and the best old stuff is usually built to last. They can turn off FM broadcasts, and I'll go to more concerts. My computer could break, and I'll spend £50 on a new one. All three of my FX-3s are unlikely to break, but if they did I've got plently of Contaxs to back them up. So, as much as big companies want us to spend fortunes on expensive and inferior products - I say, for me - no way. But if they stopped making film - we'd be goosed. There is no way out of that predicament.
For now, there's still loads of film out there, really - so much to choose from. Cosina and Zeiss are maiking new stuff, Leica too. Postcard paper is back, new warmtone developer from Ilford too. Loads of nice cheep second hand bargains all over ebay - vinyl is is so, so cheep, the lawn's lookin' great ...
I'm happy.
bmattock
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Yes, sunsets are beautiful. I agree.
Taipei-metro
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If you're making a 60 mins long documentary film w super-8 w Spectra film, minium 5 to 1 ratio, the film stock/process alone is $3,500 without audio tracks.Michael I. said:
300 mins of mini-dv tape, SP speed, is $20 .
Quality of Super-8 is, really BAD!
Have you ever try to edit super-8 film w mag tracks?
With $3,500 you can get a Sony PD170, probably a lot of freelance news/Night line/KCET/CNN filmmakers in your part of the world are using it instead of Super-8 stuff.
If it's for art' sake or 'money is not a problem', then have fun w Super-8.
Photographer Suda Issei in his 'Kineticscape' exhibition in Tokyo, he shoot w 8mm Braun first, then shoot a paticular frame w a Pentax. This works' also in 2-2006 Nippon camera.
Toby
On the alert
bmattock said:
The sunset of analogue photography isn't very flipping beautiful
bmattock
Veteran
Toby said:The sunset of analogue photography isn't very flipping beautiful
Embrace the horror.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Ruben says : "Have you predicted the digital take over a decade ago ??? (Yah yah yah, you smart guy, keep humble !). "
A few years ago, when initial debating about digital I made in my photoclub the comment that finding on the market only a few dig cameras and many analog models, was clear that choice was too limited and for this reason no interest to me. But I had never dream that in a so short time choice of digital cameras had been much higher than analog ! I m not so good in forecasting !
My self as well, like Bill, was enthusiast of Minidisc : car and walkman. It works, yes, but it s getting hard to find the disk themself (at least in Italy). For me was (is) an excellent technology, but again I made a wrong forecast !!
After two example I'll not make many other future forecast !
ciao to all, robert
A few years ago, when initial debating about digital I made in my photoclub the comment that finding on the market only a few dig cameras and many analog models, was clear that choice was too limited and for this reason no interest to me. But I had never dream that in a so short time choice of digital cameras had been much higher than analog ! I m not so good in forecasting !
My self as well, like Bill, was enthusiast of Minidisc : car and walkman. It works, yes, but it s getting hard to find the disk themself (at least in Italy). For me was (is) an excellent technology, but again I made a wrong forecast !!
After two example I'll not make many other future forecast !
ciao to all, robert
beethamd
Unix-like
I'd photograph the sunset we have this evening with a digital camera, but the battery is flat.
bmattock
Veteran
beethamd said:
By the way - wherever did you find an 80 dollar CZ planar lens for your FX3-Super? I just bought a clobbered FX-3 Super 2000 (Cosina-made) with that thought - I'd mount a 50mm f1.7 CZ Planar and see what the fuss was all about (since I have Cosina-made Canon T-60 w/50mm f1.4 SSC and Cosina-made Vivitar v2000 w/Pentax 50mm f1.4 SMC, I thought I'd compare head-to-head) - but I cannot find a 50mm CZ Planar in Y/C mount for less than like $200 USD!!! What up with that?
And btw, the watch I'm wearing today is an Elgin - just under 100 years old. Enjoying the old stuff does not preclude seeing what's coming.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
bmattock
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robert blu said:
If my predictions were 100% right, I'd be a Prophet. Since I am only about 80% right, I am just really, really, smart. And handsome.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
beethamd
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Bill,
I bought two, from shphoto on ebay. Brand new, each 50mm 1.7 AE, for £50 each including delivery. The resolution, with mirror-up is absolutely stunning. Delightful lenses.
If you'd like, I could send you a used one to borrow, if you pay postage?
Best wishes,
David.
I bought two, from shphoto on ebay. Brand new, each 50mm 1.7 AE, for £50 each including delivery. The resolution, with mirror-up is absolutely stunning. Delightful lenses.
If you'd like, I could send you a used one to borrow, if you pay postage?
Best wishes,
David.
photogdave
Shops local
Last time I checked, Vancouver B.C. is on this planet. Geographically and culturally we are quite far apart so I can understand how you may not see this sort of trend in your area, but it happening here and I'm seeing it with my own eyes. It's not a big deal, and it's not my way of saying "film is better than digital" or any such nonsense, just an obeservation I have noted.bmattock said:
bmattock
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beethamd said:
David, thank you for the offer, but since I haven't yet received the junker Yashica, I don't even know if what I have will work at all - let me determine that and I may very well tap you up!
I simply must compare them.
I'll let you in on a little secret...it hurts me to say this...
I have a very old Pentax screw mount (M42) Super-Multi-Coated 50mm f1.4 that I use on my Bessaflex TM. And I have a Canon T-60 (Cosina, older uncle of the Bessaflex) with a Canon 50mm f1.4 SSC. Both in fabulous condition. I am a Canon guy. I have been shooting Canon since high school and I love it.
The Pentax is sharper, more detail, better contrast. At every aperture, but especially wide-open.
I bought another Canon FD-mount SSC lens.
Same result.
I'm very angry.
I must find something that beats this Pentax. They say (but you know what 'they' say) that the Zeiss Planar whups up on everything - even the Pentax.
I gotta see this.
So I may well be in touch!
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
bmattock
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photogdave said:Last time I checked, Vancouver B.C. is on this planet. Geographically and culturally we are quite far apart so I can understand how you may not see this sort of trend in your area, but it happening here and I'm seeing it with my own eyes. It's not a big deal, and it's not my way of saying "film is better than digital" or any such nonsense, just an obeservation I have noted.
OK, you're right. I admit it, I'm wrong. Vancouver is on this planet. Mostly. I thought you were going to say Toronto.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
ywenz
Veteran
beethamd said:
Simple rule of thumb: make sure you don't use dead batteries.
amateriat
We're all light!
Reminds me of a line I read in the long-dead Cycle magazine years back, in the "News" section about a line of motorcycles (maybe Laverda?) which were soon to be available "in all civilized parts of the continent and Canada". Was good for half the "Letters" section the following month.bmattock said:
- Barrett
beethamd
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Bill,
The Olympus 1.8 is also ridiculously sharp. A friend gave me a slide taken with one - of a large, ocean-going ship with all the rigging etc. He took it with cable release and no mirror-up at f/8 with a rather large tripod that needed an industrial crane to move it. It's one of the sharpest slides I've ever seen, right into the corners of the slide. He bought it for £20. The lens had fungus and it had a hair inside.
£20!
David.
The Olympus 1.8 is also ridiculously sharp. A friend gave me a slide taken with one - of a large, ocean-going ship with all the rigging etc. He took it with cable release and no mirror-up at f/8 with a rather large tripod that needed an industrial crane to move it. It's one of the sharpest slides I've ever seen, right into the corners of the slide. He bought it for £20. The lens had fungus and it had a hair inside.
£20!
David.