Too many picture posts?

[chris91387]

What about ths idea: one can upload x number of photos per day but only one shows up in the "recent photos" thumbnails? "x" = 20 or 5 or whatever. As the owner of the photos, the poster picks one as the representative pic of the group of images. This wouldn't overwhelm the "recent photos" and, I think, would give all of us a spot on the gallery front page.
The other thought I have about this; make the number of "random photos" thumbnails equal the number of thumbnails of "recent photos".
Rob

i do like the random photos section and often find myself hitting the refresh button.

- chris

 

[Oh Two]

Quality vs. Quantity

Quality vs. Quantity

I became involved with RFF because the quality of photography was far superior to other sites such as Photosig and it was dedicated to rangefinder cameras (or so I thought).

I am in agreement that is has become pretty much a free place to post family albums for some.

My gripes? I have my favorites but find it too hard to find them and too many folks post junk (like Photosig). I had hopes of meeting other serious photgraphers from around the world and sharing shots with those who's work I admire, but that hasn't panned out. I've met no one. After 40 years of photography and painting I guess I'm not good enough and my experience is without value. But in reality I'm just lost in the RFF sea.

I only post shots that I believe are worth seeing, that is, shots that have some degree of technical, or artisitic skill or exhibit an expression of nature (human or otherwise) and tell a story. I only post rangefinder shots. I only post shots that are current (within a year or two). You aren't getting any stale work from me.

The point has been raised that rangefinder folks are elitists, and that's okay by me because it seperates the wheat from the chaff. I really can't think of a better way to find the crazy folks out there who love photography and respect its tradition.

My answer is to limit the number of total posts and to automatically make all posts into pumpkins if left unattended.

 

[raid]

I usually submit rarely photos to the gallery and I only started posting there after I had been a member at RFF for some time. In fact, I only posted photos within threads for most my membership with RFF.

I happen to have "unloaded" some relatively good photos taken by me over the past several years. It was a one-shot deal. It certainly saddens me to find out that following the established uploading rules still has resulted in some RFF members having negative feelings about the way photos show up.

Maybe a change is needed. As I said before, I am happy with a daily limit of one photo. If the software allows showing only from a certain subset of Gallery photos, then maybe the members who stated above that they wanted they photos to be seen more often would be happier.

Jan was one of the members who kept after all of us to post in the Gallery and to comment on photos posted there. Only then did I decide to post images in the Gallery. I am also very happy with posting photos within a thread. This is not the place for glorification of anyone.


Let's not create a negative feeling about visiting/posting at the gallery. There are several good suggestions posted above by several people.

Jorge ... can you make them happy?

Raid

 

[rover]

OK, everyone has rights to post to the gallery here, and as a thank you for contributions to the site some can upload as many as 20 photos a day.

That is not going to change.

Now there were some other suggestions about what photos are visible and what are simply stored in the member galleries and those were all good.

Today Jorge increased the number of visible images in the gallery from 12 to 20, that is a good thing.

I don't know if any additional changes will be made, or need to be made, again, some things are the way they are and for better or worst, any change is going to upset someone, so sometime no change is best.

There are tools in the gallery to search recently posted images, and I will have to check to make sure about this, but I believe there are features to mark favorite photographers to find their recent posts.

Now, along with others who have stated this, I don't like any one's work, even if it not called out by name or specified, being called junk. My images are great to me, but I am sure they are not up to snuff to others. That is fine, but everyone works hard to create what they do and because they aren't HCB does not mean their stuff should not be in the gallery.

There are a lot of good opinions in this thread, Sponsoring members calling for less rights and all sorts of opinions. Lets not drag this down, as it stands, we can see work from any member who wants to share theirs, that will never be a bad thing.

 

[jaapv]

I'd still like to have some way of uploading a photograph into my gallery without polluting the most recent gallery if I feel there is no need for it to be there.

 

[dadsm3]

Posting a few marginal shots (guilty) are a separate issue.....some of us are still learning.....
But inundating the gallery with SLR/DSLR/point'nshoots on an RF gallery, and bumping legitimate RF work that the rest of us want to see and learn from, is just rude.

 

[back alley]

Posting a few marginal shots (guilty) are a separate issue.....some of us are still learning.....
But inundating the gallery with SLR/DSLR/point'nshoots on an RF gallery, and bumping legitimate RF work that the rest of us want to see and learn from, is just rude.

this has been an indulgence from the beginning of rff. we wanted to be inclusive rather than exclusive. when an rf shooting member who also shoots with other types of cameras posts a digital or a slr shot, it was allowed as long as it did not become excessive.
for 'sponsored' members, jorge created another section of the gallery for such shots as a 'bonus' after paid sponsorships were introduced.

to stop the 'other' stuff would mean that the mods would have to start deleting photos. i imagine anyone could just not post what the pic was shot with and that would halt the deletions.

now that the dslr site has been opened up to film slr's also, i hope that folks will start using that site and gallery for their slr shots.
i know i have started posting there in advance of my oly om 1 system being delivered.

 

[dadsm3]

Of course you're absolutely correct Joe. I never intended to imply that this would be policed....I would expect that this would have been self regulated....it IS an RF forum after all.
Anybody should not feel guilty about posting a non-RF shot....but it should be the exception.....there are other forums for this work, and I really don't have a problem with members who state that their shot is in fact an SLR shot. I do have one with someone who posts 10 pics obviously taken with a 300mm zoom and conveniently neglects to provide any information...like they caught it with a 135mm Hektor or something.
You said the same thing yourself Joe a while back....a few members have had the nerve to comment on shots that clearly shouldn't be in this gallery, but support from you guys has been pretty thin lately.....
Honest RFF members shouldn't have to dig through an RF gallery to find RF shots.

 

[jan normandale]

Frankly I'm highly encouraged by this tidal wave of shots. This shows that there are people who are interested in photography. I think I'd rather wade through a lot of shots than none at all. I usually go through everything once a week for the previous week. It takes a couple of hours but I can do it. When I'm done I've got some 'pick's of the week'

Everyone has different ideas of what photography is. I'm not a big portrait photography fan, however I also see some excellent portraits here and I appreciate it when I do. I also see things that make me wonder but I'm sure I've posted shots that make others wonder too. About 4 months back I decided to 'cull' my gallery. A lot of my early shots didn't hold up compared to my current work so I deleted them. What I'm getting at is some peoples shots may seem lacking in interest or technique but for the poster they are where they are in their development as a photographer. Lets leave room for everyone to work on their craft.

 

[NIKON KIU]

I didn't scroll tru 6 pages of replies and here I post! But I did notice your thread caused a lotta upload!!
this site has over 7000 subscibers! with sponser members having privilages of posting more pix than regular users....just go with the flow!!
Kiu

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

Since we're on the pet-peeve subject: Too many posts without being properly spell-checked? Or that are absolute nonsentences. I mean, like, what's up with that???

I see about oodles of posts that are so void of grammatical structure and stained with spelling mistakes, on top of being miscategorized.

I mean, if we're going to start pointing out how bad other people's pictures are and how we don't like to see them taking up the gallery's main page, why not take it to the next level? :angel:

Some things are unenforceable.

 

[Simon Larbalestier]

Slightly OT but not essentially - I for one am guilty for not really commenting on images posted. The simple practical reason for this is that despite having broadband here in Bangkok it's very slow and as i belong to quite a few forum/photo sites i can easily spend a couple of hours a day replying to messages, interacting on forums threads and that leaves little time to browse new images uploaded on the gallery parts of the sites.

DeviantART has it nailed down in that you can see on logging in, who has commented on your work, who has visited, who has added you to their "watch list" and by choosing to add them to your friend's list you can quickly access their journals and recent image uploads should you wish to. What this then allows is a fast interaction between certain members and a good dialogue can then develop.

There isn't to my knowledge here on RFF anyway of knowing who has seen your work other than a numercial number to indicate views and in order to reply to comments made on your work, you have to always access your gallery pages or am i missing something?

I have the greatest respect for RFF as a community but the gallery is huge and not easy to navigate unless you have a fast broadband connection.

 

[Marc-A.]

DeviantART has it nailed down in that you can see on logging in, who has commented on your work, who has visited, who has added you to their "watch list" and by choosing to add them to your friend's list you can quickly access their journals and recent image uploads should you wish to. What this then allows is a fast interaction between certain members and a good dialogue can then develop.

There isn't to my knowledge here on RFF anyway of knowing who has seen your work other than a numercial number to indicate views and in order to reply to comments made on your work, you have to always access your gallery pages or am i missing something?

I have the greatest respect for RFF as a community but the gallery is huge and not easy to navigate unless you have a fast broadband connection.

Simon,
1. you're pointing out a real issue. My gallery is not as much seen as yours, but many times I found comments three, four weeks after they were left (once, it was two months later).

2. But I'm not so much for creating a sub-community inside the community; two reasons: when people know well each other, 'outsiders' are deterred from entering the community (for instance, I wouldn't even try); besides, people inside the sub-community are less open to the work of others. All this would foster elitism.

Frankly I'm highly encouraged by this tidal wave of shots. This shows that there are people who are interested in photography. I think I'd rather wade through a lot of shots than none at all. I usually go through everything once a week for the previous week. It takes a couple of hours but I can do it. When I'm done I've got some 'pick's of the week'

Jan,
You're the wise man of RFF :angel: . Always a good word, always optimistic, never see the "half empty glass" (don't if it's correct in English "le verre à moitié vide") ... Thanks Jan!

Marc

 

[Photon-hunter]

What about non-english speakers??

What about non-english speakers??

Since we're on the pet-peeve subject: Too many posts without being properly spell-checked? Or that are absolute nonsentences. I mean, like, what's up with that???

I see about oodles of posts that are so void of grammatical structure and stained with spelling mistakes, on top of being miscategorized.

I mean, if we're going to start pointing out how bad other people's pictures are and how we don't like to see them taking up the gallery's main page, why not take it to the next level? :angel:

Some things are unenforceable.

Please think about something: Very fortunately this wonderfull forum is not restricted to members that happen to live in english speaking countries.A LOT of us live in countries all over the world (I live in Spain) and english is only a second language for us.If I was to be concerned about the gramaticall correction in every one of my posts,I simply wouldn´t boder posting (not that I post that much....)

Let´s focus in the power of light and stick toghether...

All the best,Erik.

 

[rover]

Please think about something: Very fortunately this wonderfull forum is not restricted to members that happen to live in english speaking countries.A LOT of us live in countries all over the world (I live in Spain) and english is only a second language for us.If I was to be concerned about the gramaticall correction in every one of my posts,I simply wouldn´t boder posting (not that I post that much....)

Let´s focus in the power of light and stick toghether...

All the best,Erik.

Erik, you are 100% correct, but I don't think Gabriel was being serious in his comments. We do have an international community, and in fact, the only reason that I can participate in it is because we communicate in English as I do not know a second language as all of you do.

I don't want to speak for Gabriel, I hope he will be back to confirm my words though, I know he understands this and we just trying to make a point about everyone's photos being allowed in the gallery without a subjective qualifier.

Let´s focus in the power of light and stick together...

I like that.

 

[jaapv]

Posting a few marginal shots (guilty) are a separate issue.....some of us are still learning.....
But inundating the gallery with SLR/DSLR/point'nshoots on an RF gallery, and bumping legitimate RF work that the rest of us want to see and learn from, is just rude.

I agree; (D)SLR shots should not show up in the recent posts section of the gallery. But Jorge has created the gallery "other" just for such stuff for paying members, and it was to this kind of shots I was referring. I try to get around this by posting in a limited fashion and cleary marking such shots in the title, but it would be better to keep them out of the upload thumbnails.

 

[Simon Larbalestier]

Simon,
2. But I'm not so much for creating a sub-community inside the community; two reasons: when people know well each other, 'outsiders' are deterred from entering the community (for instance, I wouldn't even try); besides, people inside the sub-community are less open to the work of others. All this would foster elitism.
Marc

Sub communities will always exist on internet based forum sites and so will elitism (more so when it comes to choice of gear rather than what is actually posted image wise) and when a "community" is usually based on members not even using their own names how is it ever possible to develop further dialogue without inadvertantly creating a sub community?

I found Lightstalkers seemingly elitist until i started to email indivduals that interested me and built up dialogues that way.

I've met some fascinating people (many in the flesh) from several internet photo forums - i wouldn't regard these as forming sub-communites in a negative elitist sense - IMHO it's no different to how one made friends at school or in other social circles.

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

Please think about something: Very fortunately this wonderfull forum is not restricted to members that happen to live in english speaking countries.A LOT of us live in countries all over the world (I live in Spain) and english is only a second language for us.If I was to be concerned about the gramaticall correction in every one of my posts,I simply wouldn´t boder posting (not that I post that much....)

Let´s focus in the power of light and stick toghether...

All the best,Erik.

I agree with you, Erik. I know that sarcasm usually flies unnoticed and is mistaken for serious banter. Sarcasm is also a bad thing in some cultures, so that doesn't help (they don't make a distinction between sarcasm and passive-agressiveness). So in case the tongue-in-cheek-challenged didn't get it: it was tongue-in-cheek.

Rant aside, my point is: there is diversity in photographs and people's backgrounds. We should take diversity for what it's worth. (Unfortunately, "diversity" tends to be a very narrowly-focused concept and noun this side of the pond). Could you imagine a rule banning sunsets or flowers? If one does not like something, the mere dislike is not grounds enough for discriminating against something.

I think. My twopence. imvvvvvho.

 

[keithwms]

What I was hoping to see here was some discussion about how to ensure that posted images all receive some fair amount of time in a gallery pane so that people have time to comment on them.

I did not / do not endorse equipment elitism... or photo elitism... or spelling elitism! And I wish that people would kindly form their own threads for indulging in chatter of that nature. Really, some people thrive on inflammatory dialogue. Hasn't it been known for centuries that different people place different values on different objects of art?! What a battle-worn subject.

I certainly do not endorse any form of equipment elitism, my RF work is as likely to originate from an olympus XA or old crown graphic or konica as a mamiya RF or whatever. I usually do not look to see what a picture was taken with when I look at it in the gallery here.

I do find it odd that some think it's okay to post DSLR pics on RFF since there are so many other venues for that, but again: that is a different topic. Kindly start your own thread to discuss that and don't hijack this one!

Now, if nothing resulted from my post other than the expansion of the number of shots visible in the gallery pane, then fine, thank Jorge, it is a bit better now! I do still think there are easy ways to increase feedback. I simply find it unfortunate that so many things are posted and so few comments are given. I realize that some people think that's fine. Those people will probably continue to think that everything is fine even as the number of posts continues to increase and the number of comments per post continues to decrease.

How about this: allow people to post only as many images as the number of comments they have given on other's images. Okay it might be tricky to implement.

 

[RayPA]

Slightly OT but not essentially - I for one am guilty for not really commenting on images posted. The simple practical reason for this is that despite having broadband here in Bangkok it's very slow and as i belong to quite a few forum/photo sites i can easily spend a couple of hours a day replying to messages, interacting on forums threads and that leaves little time to browse new images uploaded on the gallery parts of the sites.

DeviantART has it nailed down in that you can see on logging in, who has commented on your work, who has visited, who has added you to their "watch list" and by choosing to add them to your friend's list you can quickly access their journals and recent image uploads should you wish to. What this then allows is a fast interaction between certain members and a good dialogue can then develop.
There isn't to my knowledge here on RFF anyway of knowing who has seen your work other than a numercial number to indicate views and in order to reply to comments made on your work, you have to always access your gallery pages or am i missing something?

I have the greatest respect for RFF as a community but the gallery is huge and not easy to navigate unless you have a fast broadband connection.

one word: Flickr and specifically this LINK HERE Get your RF fix with a MUCH better gallery!