kuzano
Veteran
Double check the pledge amounts...
Double check the pledge amounts...
One of the pledges is for a 90mm body WITH an Angulon 90mm in shutter.
Also, another pledge is for a 65mm body WITH a 65mm lens in shutter.
It's all been very well thought out. For details look at all the pledge amounts. Frankly the amount for the 90 body with the 90mm Angulon is at a good price point.
Pledges are still being taken. The Kickstarter Project looks like it will have a $10,000 day, today alone. If each remaining day would receive pledges of $5000, that would add another $90,000 for a total of $165,000 and about 1500 camera's. Optimistic....????
Double check the pledge amounts...
One of the pledges is for a 90mm body WITH an Angulon 90mm in shutter.
Also, another pledge is for a 65mm body WITH a 65mm lens in shutter.
It's all been very well thought out. For details look at all the pledge amounts. Frankly the amount for the 90 body with the 90mm Angulon is at a good price point.
Pledges are still being taken. The Kickstarter Project looks like it will have a $10,000 day, today alone. If each remaining day would receive pledges of $5000, that would add another $90,000 for a total of $165,000 and about 1500 camera's. Optimistic....????
bensyverson
Well-known
Joe, it is a function system up front: we will ship the cameras with a pinhole, so you can make images right away if you don't have a lens.
Schneider, Nikon, Rodenstock, Fuji and others manufactured a simply gigantic number of 90mm lenses from the 30s and 40s through the 80s. It's no exaggeration to say there are millions of 90mm large format lenses out there. The shutters tend to be in good shape; they're pretty simple mechanical clockwork shutters.
I guarantee we will not sell 100,000 of these cameras. It's simply not that type of product! We would be lucky to sell 1/10th of that, spread out over the next 10 years. But even that many is highly improbable.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Absolutely ridiculous numbers, believe me. Most of the shutters are pretty good, too (Compurs). If, as I sincerely hope, they sell several thousand cameras, it ain't even gonna dent the supply of lenses available.
Cheers,
R.
Eric T
Well-known
It isn't a rangefinder but the designers cleverly put three shoes on top so you can add whatever you like - rangefinder, light meter, or maybe even a flash.
This is a very nice idea. What you like from traditional large format is perspective control but than can be corrected in post-processing after scanning.
I congratulate the designers on a clever, simple idea.
This is a very nice idea. What you like from traditional large format is perspective control but than can be corrected in post-processing after scanning.
I congratulate the designers on a clever, simple idea.
ruby.monkey
Veteran
Who knows? If they sell well, perhaps this will become an option further down the line.
Particular
a.k.a. CNNY, disassembler
If they would produce 100,000 cameras, I think Schneider could make a healthy profit putting the 90mm angulon back in production.
The number of cameras that are pledged for are an impressive achievement as it is.
thegman
Veteran
I wish you the very best of luck with this. The price is very compelling, and I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I wasn't moving to Australia soon, and I need to shift more "stuff" not buy it.
I already have a 4x5 camera, but a cheaper one I can sling in a rucksack sounds interesting.
I already have a 4x5 camera, but a cheaper one I can sling in a rucksack sounds interesting.
kuzano
Veteran
For those concerned about lenses.
For those concerned about lenses.
FWIW, over the last ten years, I have purchased 7 Schneider 90mm f6.8. Angulons. Have never had a Super Angulon.
I have never waited long for one when I decided to pursue one. They came in various shutters... Linhof Technika, Synchro Compur, Seiko, etc. Not in one case have I had to have one serviced.
As far as alternatives.
Rodenstock Geronar 90mm - there are four on eBay right now, with 4 sold in the last 60 days, as low as $100... mostly $200-300. Modern lens, modern shutters.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk....m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=geronar+90&_sacat=0
listed now or sold last 60 days... Caltar 90mm made for Rodenstock or Schneider for the marketing company CALUMET...25 lenses, again from $150 up. Remember the Calumet Cadet, a monorail 4X5 purchased in huge numbers by schools teaching Large Format photograpy. When purchased with lenses, they most often had Calumet Caltar or CaltarII lenses
-40 active listings of other Rodenstock 90mm
-50+ sold Rodenstock 90mm in the last 60 days
-150 Schneider 90mm angulon and super angulons
-200 sold Schneider 90mm in the last 60 days
-Another 30 assorted 90mm in active listings
There is even a Rodenstock Heligon 90mm in Linhof Synchro Compur shutter that has an f3.2 aperture. OOOOOOOH Boken!!! (pricey),
Link to the Heligon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Linhof-Rode...29996218?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item564b44eeba
The eBay seller selling the Heligon has over 6,000 items listed, mostly photographic gear, and a very good 99.8 positive transaction rating on over 5000 feedbacks.
with regard to two common complaints about hand held and PS large format. Many complain about no movements. I personally have probably NOT used movements on any number of field and monorail camera's over the last decade.
Often people complain about no movements, and don't use them when they have them,.... DUH???
Last, this is the perfect camera for me... particularly on one front.
It's $100!!! Think how much money you have left to spend on lenses. I do.
And, my point here is, there are a ton of lenses out there. Even the most Anal Retentive person in the world can find that perfect lens with the time left before we hold a Travelwide in our hands.
I'm not even financially involved in this project, and it's met goal, and I still say Pledge, Pledge, Pledge, and tell others.
OK.. NOW.. very last point. SK Grimes lists the cost of most shutter CLA's at $100 to $125 if no other significant issues are present. See their new web site at:
http://www.skgrimes.com/
For those concerned about lenses.
FWIW, over the last ten years, I have purchased 7 Schneider 90mm f6.8. Angulons. Have never had a Super Angulon.
I have never waited long for one when I decided to pursue one. They came in various shutters... Linhof Technika, Synchro Compur, Seiko, etc. Not in one case have I had to have one serviced.
As far as alternatives.
Rodenstock Geronar 90mm - there are four on eBay right now, with 4 sold in the last 60 days, as low as $100... mostly $200-300. Modern lens, modern shutters.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk....m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=geronar+90&_sacat=0
listed now or sold last 60 days... Caltar 90mm made for Rodenstock or Schneider for the marketing company CALUMET...25 lenses, again from $150 up. Remember the Calumet Cadet, a monorail 4X5 purchased in huge numbers by schools teaching Large Format photograpy. When purchased with lenses, they most often had Calumet Caltar or CaltarII lenses
-40 active listings of other Rodenstock 90mm
-50+ sold Rodenstock 90mm in the last 60 days
-150 Schneider 90mm angulon and super angulons
-200 sold Schneider 90mm in the last 60 days
-Another 30 assorted 90mm in active listings
There is even a Rodenstock Heligon 90mm in Linhof Synchro Compur shutter that has an f3.2 aperture. OOOOOOOH Boken!!! (pricey),
Link to the Heligon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Linhof-Rode...29996218?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item564b44eeba
The eBay seller selling the Heligon has over 6,000 items listed, mostly photographic gear, and a very good 99.8 positive transaction rating on over 5000 feedbacks.
with regard to two common complaints about hand held and PS large format. Many complain about no movements. I personally have probably NOT used movements on any number of field and monorail camera's over the last decade.
Often people complain about no movements, and don't use them when they have them,.... DUH???
Last, this is the perfect camera for me... particularly on one front.
It's $100!!! Think how much money you have left to spend on lenses. I do.
And, my point here is, there are a ton of lenses out there. Even the most Anal Retentive person in the world can find that perfect lens with the time left before we hold a Travelwide in our hands.
I'm not even financially involved in this project, and it's met goal, and I still say Pledge, Pledge, Pledge, and tell others.
OK.. NOW.. very last point. SK Grimes lists the cost of most shutter CLA's at $100 to $125 if no other significant issues are present. See their new web site at:
http://www.skgrimes.com/
stevegoldenberg
Member
Kudos for building something truly unique and interesting for us. I just bought in, any chance you can get them produced earlier than December?
Now I just have to get the lens and film holders...
Roger Hicks
Veteran
And I personally have. Many (I among them) regard movements as one of the major advantages of LF. Why not use them if they're available? Because you don't know how? To quote you, DUH???
There are those who don't use 'em 'cos they don't want to. Fine. There are also those who don't use 'em 'cos they don't know how.
How do I know? 'Cos I was one. Then I learned how to use them...
Cheers,
R.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Guys, I had a chance to play with Ben's prototype today at the Chicago GTG. It's a winner!
I decided to go with a 65mm version...
I decided to go with a 65mm version...
kuzano
Veteran
Hmm at the risk.....
Hmm at the risk.....
At the risk of what I said being a put down to some,
And considering that I don't think you are responding in kind (you've never seemed like the type).
My answer would be PITA and Waste of my talents for other reasons. Admittedly, I don't know much about using them. I've been shooting alongside two other LF shooters for many years, and they are always tweaking their movements. Just can't see it.
Personal choice, and I didn't say people are foolish for using them. I'm just saying this camera is a way to get into LF, and if one finds movements enhance their photography in a way that is meaningful to them personally, go for it.
Hmm at the risk.....
At the risk of what I said being a put down to some,
And considering that I don't think you are responding in kind (you've never seemed like the type).
My answer would be PITA and Waste of my talents for other reasons. Admittedly, I don't know much about using them. I've been shooting alongside two other LF shooters for many years, and they are always tweaking their movements. Just can't see it.
Personal choice, and I didn't say people are foolish for using them. I'm just saying this camera is a way to get into LF, and if one finds movements enhance their photography in a way that is meaningful to them personally, go for it.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Woot - I even found a 65 at less than highway robbery prices! Hopefully it will work - I didn't notice it was in Synchro Compur until after I did the BIN.
rogue_designer
Reciprocity Failure
The syncro compur, usually mounts the same as the copals. And would be even easier to use in the field. Since it's the 65 version, you might need to shim a bit to get hyperfocal focus right - but you should be all set.
I got to handle the prototype today as well. It looks like a fun system for those who want a basic, hand holdable, large format rig. Very light and easy to handle. Not sure it's for me and the way I shoot, but really a great tool.
I got to handle the prototype today as well. It looks like a fun system for those who want a basic, hand holdable, large format rig. Very light and easy to handle. Not sure it's for me and the way I shoot, but really a great tool.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
That makes me feel a little better - I freaked and PMed Ben too.
rogue_designer
Reciprocity Failure
Worst case scenario, I'll buy it off you.
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Hopefully it won't come to that!
Ken Ford
Refuses to suffer fools
Liam, Ben confirmed the same as you - I'm golden with this one. Hopefully the condition is as good as claimed!
Now, where did I put the box with my film holders?
Now, where did I put the box with my film holders?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Sorry. It was the 'DUH???' that got me. As you say, LF is a broad church, and everyone should use whatever approach they find useful. But it's pointless for either of us to pretend that movements are either useless or the be-all and end-all of LF.
Cheers,
R.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
It looks darn cool to me, even if I'm not sure i want to get into yet another film format. I've made my commitments to 6x6 and 35mm, will likely stick there. But .. I never say never.
G