Gumby
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I'm so glad I haven't been to church yet this morning... this as far more inspirational!
I wasn't referring to you. I admire your very grounded and impressive technical knowledge and abilities.
Sorry- it's hard to follow this entire thread! I saw my statement along with Metaphysical!
"Never Mind"....
"Never Mind"....
bmattock
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Now you just look sad and incompetent. If you're going to derive enjoyment from skewering people, you really have to learn to get better at it. As a horse's ass, you're mediocre at best. Give it some more study and come back and try again, eh? I have confidence that you can excel at being a jerk if you apply yourself.
You speak for me better than I can, Junior. Save your pennies.
I'll just skip the in-between posts...
For me, it was the Nikon SP. Came out the year I was born. Had the lenses for it, because I "fell into" a Nikon S4 with lenses without knowing it was rare. I bought and sold a lot of stuff on Ebay to save up for one.
Then that JOE and his Canon P. I use the Nikon, have lenses for it, made some lenses for it, but end up using a CANON P more often. More choice in lenses in LTM. More pride in owning a Nikon SP with Titanium Foil Shutter? Probably. Better pictures with the Canon P? About the same. More pride in making an uncoated Zeiss 5cm f1.5 Sonnar in LTM for the Canon P? Yes. Psychological edge? For me, owning the camera is not enough. Using it with a high degree of proficiency for its intended purpose is more important to me.
Not to raise this thread from the dead- grabbed the Loaded Mint Nikon SP, put the Nikkor 10.5cm f2.5 on it, went for a few mile walk. The colors of the leaves are peaking here. One thing the Nikon SP does better than the Canon P: work with hoods on Telephoto lenses. The RF window of the Canon P gets blocked by some of the hoods on the longer Tele's, including the 10.5cm F2.5 Nikkor and 85mm f2 Canon. The Nikons and Canon 7 positioned the RF window farther from the lens mount.
kermaier
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Jeez.... Too bad I bothered to respond to the original post before I saw how a couple of flamers turned this thread into something nobody will check back to read.
Lame, lame, lame - where are the mods?
Lame, lame, lame - where are the mods?
Tuolumne
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No. There will be buyer's remorse for having spent alot of money on something that makes no difference whatsoever. It's the consumerist way. And no lesson will be learned, either.
/T
jarski
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such topics are like invitations for certain type of bypassers seeking for momentary enjoyment of flaming and ridiculing. think this should be locked if it doesnt silently burry into history..
Ducky
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Several assumptions have been made throughout the thread. I'm the OP. I never mentioned expensive, I said saving and budgeting but never put a price on anything.
Also, buyers remorse is mentioned over and over. Why? Are there no members who will just enjoy a camera and keep it?
Some flamers just assume they have the world figured out. They don't.
Gear head = empty head was a cheap shot.
Not with me! No Buyer's remorse! None whatsoever. I have that Nikon SP, could have sold it for more than I paid, and will hand it down to Nikki. She's pretty good with it already.
gb hill
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I call these people collectors. Though there is a pride of ownership in these people. Gear heads also take pride in there gear or they wouldn't buy it. What's wrong with discussing gear anyhow? Most of us here are hobbiest & enjoy what we do. I'm first to admit I'm no pro or a very good photographer but it's enjoyment for me. What I have a hard time understanding is, why would someone join a forum to parade their intellect by bashing others & never link their own work for others to see.
Tuolumne
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I'm not blaming anyone for what they buy or criticizing them for it. I am speaking strictly from my own experience. I have bought many cameras, from 360 degree Roundshots to medium formats of various kinds. Most of them just end up as burdens. They never made me a better or more interesting photographer. They're all being sold.
Does that mean I never bought camera I liked and didn't regret? Of course not. I love my R-D1 and various M-mount lenses. Why didn't I stop there? beats me? Consumerist GAS? I guess so. So, I bought a Lumix G1. Do I like that camera? Love it. Does it make me a better photographer? No, I like the R-D1 better, but I get lazy, have old eyes, and don't mind shooting an auto-focus camera more often that I perhaps should. So, am I sorry that I bought the G1? No, but it didn't do what I expected it to. I still take better photos with the R-D1.
/T
Tuolumne
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You can buy very nice film cameras on eBay for $125. But if you have to budget and save for one it is expensive - for you.
/T
Bingley
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I enjoy owning and using my Leica M2. I wanted a Leica for years, finally found a good one at a decent price, and have used it a lot since. I cannot imagine selling it. I don't know if owning it has made me a better photographer (not for me to say, really), but it has led me to shoot more, since I find using it to be a pleasure.
Slightly OT (sorry, Ducky): I checked RFF this morning only to discover that there'd been another eruption in some threads (including this one) over gear and "gear heads." I've been really busy at work and w/ some photo projects, and as a result have been posting less frequently on RFF than in the past. But that prompts a couple of comments:
1) I'm grateful that there are gear enthusiasts at RFF who share their expertise and opinions, b/c it means I'm usually able to find an answer to a question fairly quickly in current or older threads. I've learned a lot, and what I've learned has shaped my gear purchasing and using decisions.
2) Since I started developing film myself, I've been spending more time over on the film and processing forums. Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed there seems to be less baiting and hostility there than in the forums devoted to RF gear. I have no theory for why this might be; it just seems curious that discussions over the relative merits of this or that developer or film or processing routine appear to generate less heat. Maybe more agitation in the darkroom leads to less agitation on RFF... I dunno.
Slightly OT (sorry, Ducky): I checked RFF this morning only to discover that there'd been another eruption in some threads (including this one) over gear and "gear heads." I've been really busy at work and w/ some photo projects, and as a result have been posting less frequently on RFF than in the past. But that prompts a couple of comments:
1) I'm grateful that there are gear enthusiasts at RFF who share their expertise and opinions, b/c it means I'm usually able to find an answer to a question fairly quickly in current or older threads. I've learned a lot, and what I've learned has shaped my gear purchasing and using decisions.
2) Since I started developing film myself, I've been spending more time over on the film and processing forums. Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed there seems to be less baiting and hostility there than in the forums devoted to RF gear. I have no theory for why this might be; it just seems curious that discussions over the relative merits of this or that developer or film or processing routine appear to generate less heat. Maybe more agitation in the darkroom leads to less agitation on RFF... I dunno.
Ducky
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This thiing has gotten way out of hand.
Here's another thought. Maybe "buyers remorse" is rerally "buyers dissappointment"? I can't always get a hands-on feel for some cameras so I buy one, wonder what the fuss is about, and sell it. If I lose a few bucks I consider it a rerntal fee.
Here's another thought. Maybe "buyers remorse" is rerally "buyers dissappointment"? I can't always get a hands-on feel for some cameras so I buy one, wonder what the fuss is about, and sell it. If I lose a few bucks I consider it a rerntal fee.
> Are there no members who will just enjoy a camera and keep it?
I enjoy using vintage cameras, and often keep them just because I like them. Way to many cameras? So what. I use them, keep them in good repair, and learn a thing or two when taking them apart. And more if I get them back together.
A friend of mine used to say that a lot of people he knew hit forty and either "1) Had an affair, 2) changed careers, 3) bought a really fast car." His wife told him to get any car he wanted for his 40th Birthday. I bought my Nikon SP, a lot cheaper than a Corvette or Cobra.
My wife told me "If you like it keep it, if you use it keep it. If you do not like it and do not use it, sell it". Seems simple enough to me. Why does everyone else make it so complicated?
I enjoy using vintage cameras, and often keep them just because I like them. Way to many cameras? So what. I use them, keep them in good repair, and learn a thing or two when taking them apart. And more if I get them back together.
A friend of mine used to say that a lot of people he knew hit forty and either "1) Had an affair, 2) changed careers, 3) bought a really fast car." His wife told him to get any car he wanted for his 40th Birthday. I bought my Nikon SP, a lot cheaper than a Corvette or Cobra.
My wife told me "If you like it keep it, if you use it keep it. If you do not like it and do not use it, sell it". Seems simple enough to me. Why does everyone else make it so complicated?
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Mack
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This is a troubled and troubling statement and terribly contradictory.
I'm a "photographer" but I have no pride in owning my gear. Pride is something to be merited and I could be a little proud of the images I produce, but proud of the gear...? How could I be, I didn't make it?
Any fool can spend money on gear, where is the pride in that?
Gear is there to be enjoyed. Enjoy the gear however you will.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Wait, are you saying that tools affect outcomes? Or that a tool's attitude is the user? :angel:
Gotta be careful! No time to read. No time to explain!
