Vietnam Trip Report: M6, 35mm, 50mm, Ektar and BareBones Bag (long post)

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I would like to share with you my experiences from a week of travel with a minimal amount of camera gear. Well, minimal for me. I have yet to travel with a one camera/one prime lens setup. In this post I will
cover my experiences with the following gear:

35 rolls of film including Ektar, Tri-X, Plus-X, Velvia and Provia
Leica M6 with grip (on a few days I borrowed my friends M6, more later)
VC Nokton 35/1.4
Leica 50 Summicron
Gossen Super Pilot light meter

Photos
Photos can be found here: http://beyondthenegative.com/blog/gallery
All of the gear was easily contained in my new BareBones Bag along with a Vietnamese phrase book, a reporters style notebook, some pens, up to six rolls of film at a time, microfiber cloth, cell phone, and sometimes a water bottle while the camera was out of the bag.

The purpose of the trip was not so much a vacation in the sense of R&R, but more like a learning opportunity as a good friend is a working photographer in Saigon and I wanted to learn and photograph with him. Activities during the trip included a 200km motorcycle trip from Saigon, a tour on the Mekong Delta via boat, a city tour via bus, walking around the city, and a family stay on a rural farm in the Mekong Delta.

I visited families, temples, churches, farms, rice paddies, salt fields, rivers, boats and street corners. It's safe to say that I used nearly every means of travel except a train. The purpose of me listing all of this is to give you an idea of not only the sites but also the means of travel.

Film

Traveling with film at first seemed like a daunting task. Airports gave me anxiety, but I soon found that every airport along the way, SeaTac, Tokyo and Saigon, hand inspections of film were not a problem. I had one roll of TMZ3200 that I requested a hand inspection every time and had no problems. Actually, most of the time they barely even looked at. Even at the Reunification palace in Saigon where they make you put your bag through the XRAY, I was able to have the film bypass with only a casual glance.

I've shot lots of Tri-X, some Plus-X, velvia and Provia but never Ektar. In fact, using the Ektar was a bit of a gamble for me as the first time I used a roll was in Vietnam. The Ektar was processed and scanned at Costco without any problems, although the scanner must not be calibrated as skin tones look a little orange to me. Scanning at home, however, on a Nikon Coolscan IV seemed to fix the problem.

Before arriving at the airport I took all the film out of the plastic canisters and into a large ziplock
bag. I then put all the canisters into another ziplock bag. The canisters help keep the film from
getting wet, scratched etc. In Seatac, I let all the 400 speed and slower go through the XRAY but they
ended up hand inspecting it anyway, leaving and returning.

Camera

The M6 performed flawlessly as expected and was a joy to carry around vs. a larger DSLR. My friend is using a 5D MKII with a kit of primes including a 35/1.4. It was interesting to see the size difference between his full frame setup with a 35/1.4 and mine. Having the grip, which I purchased from eBay some months ago, made the camera feel much more secure in my hands. On a few occasions I borrowed my friends M6 to either run two different speeds of film or have both lenses mounted and ready for quick situations.

The two cameras were invaluable during the city tour where I was constantly in and out of dark temples and churches. I'm not real fond of f/16 and 1/1000, so running a 100 speed film in bright daylight is always my preference. The only other way I can think of overcoming this is to use a ND filter on Tri-X or Provia or some other 400 speed film so I can stop down the aperture.

One of the downfalls to using film is not being able to see your photos until the film is developed. Obvious, I know. Seeing my friend and another guy we hung out with for a few days make photos and review them at the end of the day or show them to the kids they were photographing was a missed opportunity for me. In fact, I wasn't even really sure how much I enjoyed the trip until I started seeing the photos come in and realize I was successful at capturing some moments. One instance made me sick, and thats when I opened the bottom plate before rewinding the film. I pretty much wrote that whole roll off and I had what I felt were some great photos. I was pleasantly surprised to see that probably 60 or 70% of the photos survived and many can be dramatically fixed by converting them to B&W.

On Several occasions I lusted after an M8 and have been thinking about it since coming back. I missed the digital immediacy but I did not miss the size of my DSLR kit. I don't think I'll actually pull the trigger on an M8 just yet, but I definitely have more desire for one than when I left.

As for the argument of a Leica being more discreet than, say, a 5D let me just say this. In most parts of the world, it won't matter. I found that people saw me as far more conspicous because of my white skin color than they did because I had a camera. The locals stared at my white friend and I equally hard despite the fact that my camera was smaller than his. Actually, I think people actually looked at me a little harder when I had to change film. I have ideas on this but I'm not really into speculation, especially considering the cultural and language barriers that we found. At the end of the day, the compelling argument my Leica had against his 5D was it being lightweight and a smaller package for portability. Of course he would then review his photos for the day and the tides of jealousy would reverse.

Glass

I was very happy with both the 35 and the 50. I don't ever remember wishing I had a zoom, or a longer focal length. Most photos at a longer focal length would not have been worth capturing for my style of shooting. With a DSLR and a longer zoom, I'm sure I would have taken the longer photos, but I guarentee they would not make it past the first edit. I mostly used the 35 for indoor and low light stuff. The 50 was my main daylight and outside lens. At first I was worried the 35 wouldn't be wide enough. Towards the end of the trip I was starting to feel like the 35 was too wide for most situations. Also, I noticed a bit of barrel distortion on the Nokton 35. I only noticed the distortion when I was shooting a guy painting an iron gate and the bars bow out slightly. On everything else, it's unnoticeable.

Light meter

The light meter was only used once, at the salt fields we visited because I was worried about getting the right exposure. For the most part, the built-in meter of the M6 and my working knowledge of how it measures helped me get proper exposures. I used to use this meter extensively when I had an M3, but use it much less now that I have an M6.

BareBones Bag

This is the bag I have been looking for since I first picked up a Leica. No frills, no bulky padding, small shoulder bag but not too small. At times I wished it was a little bit bigger, but only when carrying two bodies both with mounted lenses, light meter, notepad, bottle of water, 6 rolls of film, microfiber cloth, sunglasses, phrase book, pens and pencils, iPod and cell phone. All of that gear made the shape of the bag a bit square and more bulky than I love, but it was never an issue. Once I took a camera out of the bag, and usually both cameras at the same time, it was slinged over my body and wore very comfortably. The bag went with me everywhere and sometimes I wore it more towards the front of my body when walking down the busy streets or riding a motorcycle. Other times I loosened the strap and wore it at my side.

I saw people wearing backpacks on their front and they not only look like goofballs but also send a loud and clear message that they think everyone is a thief. A shoulder bag worn towards the front does not send the same message and is much easier to get into.

The only thing I wasn't a real fan of in regards to the bag is how the internal pockets are designed. I have no idea how to make it better, but I tried to keep empty pockets near the camera as bulky pockets made insertion and removal of the camera body a little more difficult and less fluid. Sometimes the body would pull up on a roll of film and "pull" it out of a pocket. It tried to keep my packing minimal so this was rarely a problem. I haven't decided if I like my extra lens in a pocket or in the bottom of the bag away from the camera and wrapped in a cloth.

With regards to construction, my mom is a seamstress and designs womans handbags for sale online. She looked at it and had nothing but positive things to say, and even inspected the design looking for ideas.

Conclusion

Every trip I take demands a different set of gear with different requirements. There is no "perfect" kit for all trips and/or all assignments. I tried to imagine what I wanted to shoot and what I wanted to take with me. I knew from the beginning that I wanted to take a minimal of gear and besides all the film, I think I accomplished that. Actually, I'm very pleased that I was able to feel good for 10 days using only two lenses on a 35mm film body. If I'd had the money and inclination I may have liked a motor-wind and a soft release. Of the 35 rolls I took, I only used 24. I would probably take the same amount again in the future as a few plans fell through and we didn't see as much as we'd expected. I think if everything worked out like it was supposed to, I would have used much closer to the 35 rolls I originally took with me. Finally, Everything I took with me fit on a single backpack carry-on. If you haven't gone carry-on only, you're missing out.

I've traveled to Mexico, The Philippines, Peru and Vietnam, each time taking a different kit with varying amounts of equipment from everything to a single DSLR with Zoom lens. I'm not a fan of "what to take with me" threads, but if you have any questions I'll try to answer them as best as I can.
 
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Great photoset. I particularly liked the photos of the village and the rice farmers. Very cool! I was there a couple of years ago with my wife, but unfortunately we didn't get a chance to get into the countryside (other than touristy ha long bay). Looks like it was a great opportunity to stay with the family!
 
The only thing I wasn't a real fan of in regards to the bag is how the internal pockets are designed. I have no idea how to make it better, but I tried to keep empty pockets near the camera as bulky pockets made insertion and removal of the camera body a little more difficult and less fluid. Sometimes the body would pull up on a roll of film and "pull" it out of a pocket.

Does that mean this could also be an issue with an extra lens getting pulled out also, if it were in that same pocket?

If I understand you correctly, it would seem that the pockets would need some kind of stiffener, similar to what you get with bags that have stiffer padded panels. But then I'm guessing you would lose the slimmer profile of a bag such as this, and it's ability to mold to the body as it hangs.


It tried to keep my packing minimal so this was rarely a problem. I haven't decided if I like my extra lens in a pocket or in the bottom of the bag away from the camera and wrapped in a cloth.

So did you carry your extra lens seperately most of the time, with only one body and an attached lens, or did you usually carry two bodies with lenses attached to both?

I'm getting closer and closer to buying this bag. I just wish it was made in some heavy cotton material.

Thanks a lot for your report. Love #16!
 
Thanks for your thoughts. The workers are actually salt harvesters. They channel sea water into a small area and let the sun and wind evaporate the water which leaves behind salt deposits. The workers then scrape the salt into piles, load it into a basket and store the salt in dry houses until it is hauled off in bulk to the nearby harbor and loaded onto boats to be sold throughout Vietnam.
 
I don't think a lens would be pulled out, it would just make the bag feel bulkier - I may just be overly picky on this.

The bag is actually fairly stiff, not real stiff, but not floppy either

Half the time I had the extra lens in the bag either in the pocket or on the opposite side of the camera on the bottom of the bag. The other half of the time I had both lenses attached to a camera. Both cameras fit in the bag at the same time without problem, but it was definitely more comfortable for me to only have one camera stored at a time.
 
Thanks for your thoughts. The workers are actually salt harvesters. They channel sea water into a small area and let the sun and wind evaporate the water which leaves behind salt deposits. The workers then scrape the salt into piles, load it into a basket and store the salt in dry houses until it is hauled off in bulk to the nearby harbor and loaded onto boats to be sold throughout Vietnam.

Ah, now I understand... Very cool!
 
Your photos are outstanding. Hoping to plan a trip to Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos next year. I especially like the portrait of the shirtless man with the cigarette. That shows everything good about film M's. Very impressed
 
Nice review and quite useful. I enjoyed the photos as well. I carried a M6 with me to Vietnam last year as a backup and to force me to use it once in a while in place of my M8. Especially with b&w film. Of course, in the middle of my first role of b&w I came across an open doorway in Hoi An that screamed for color. After a mad rush to switch to color slide film, I managed to get the photo. Of course, as you said, I didn't know that until I got back home to see it. To make a long story short, that one shot turned out to be my favorite photo, digital or film. Worth the trouble? Then I boarded a boat to go up the river at sundown and, naturally, ran out of film right before turning a bend and looking into a beautiful shot of a fisherman throwing his net, backlit by a perfect sunset. No, I was not carrying my M8, nor was there time to install new film. Conclusion: I like the feel of the M6 in my hands more than the M8. The M8 is undoubtedly as close as you can get to an M6 and have a digital sensor. But I really really missed not being able to check exposure and angle immediately on the M6 before taking the final shot(s). And I hated processing the film when I came back. The b&w was not processed well at all; I don't do it myself. The slides were fine, but I've grown weary of scanning after the immediate insertion of the digital card into my computer. I doubt that I will ever sell the M6, and I may use it once in a while. What kills it in the end is the lack of availability of local labs to process film and the horrible quality that I end up getting. Oh, did I have to say that I like being able to take b&w and color photos at the same time on the M8? Especially now that I have Silver Efex Pro to transform color into b&w. Very satisfied with the M8; but very sad about the "loss" of the M6.
Meanwhile, I'll keeping looking for a film developer. But I'm no longer optimistic.
 
jj, lots of great shots here. I've found that when traveling abroad that one needs a max of 2 bodies and 2 lenses. In Indonesia and Malaysia I had brought an M4+35/2 and an F3+20/2.8 and also a 50/1.4 for the F3. 50 never got used. I actually think that the ideal length for most things is 35, but if I was forced to only bring one lens that 24mm would fit the bill nicely.

I enjoyed your set of photos. Lots of great shots. Are all the rolls developed?

Image 12 on the first page (color, wood planks, overhead shot) is outstanding.
 
Thank you all for your kind comments.

clayne:
I still have 6 rolls of film to be developed, 1 roll of Fuji Velvia 100F and 5 rolls of Fuji Provia 400. Our local lab that processed E-6 closed due to retirement so now I'm sending slide film to the Fuji lab via prepaid mailers.

I'm not sure what I'll do on any future trip, although I don't think I'll take exactly the same setup. As mentioned in the original post, each trip is different and I have different ideas of what I want to capture. Regardless, I'm confident I'll focus on prime lenses even if I take a DSLR. Using the Leica has really grown my confidence with prime lenses and has improved my photography. I find myself cropping much less and making better environmental photos when I'm forced to use only one of two prime lenses.
 
I'm not sure what I'll do on any future trip, although I don't think I'll take exactly the same setup. As mentioned in the original post, each trip is different and I have different ideas of what I want to capture. Regardless, I'm confident I'll focus on prime lenses even if I take a DSLR. Using the Leica has really grown my confidence with prime lenses and has improved my photography. I find myself cropping much less and making better environmental photos when I'm forced to use only one of two prime lenses.

In regards to instant availability of what you photographed. Consider this: you really don't need it. On one hand you're there to immerse yourself in the environment and experience, first and foremost. The images are just imprints of that. They're safe on the film. There is absolutely no need to feel it's a negative that you don't have these images instantly available. In fact, you don't *want them available*. Separation of time is good.

The second you start instantly reviewing things, you'll devolve into "revisionist" photography - where one feels the insatiable desire to reshoot, correct, another angle, etc., etc.

All you need to know, and grow confident in, is that what you saw through the framelines or viewfinder is getting exposed. It's up to you to make sure you "see" things appropriately in the first place. Removing the ability to correct by review will get you to that place quicker.
 
clayne:

Excellent thoughts. I meditated (thought deeply) about some of the things you just shared before and after the trip. I think you put it more eloquently than I could have.

My first vacation as a "photographer" amateur was spent taking photos. Thousands of photos I took running around and shooting everything that did and did not move. I have photos from the trip, but I barely remember it. Over time I learned to pace myself.

I kept telling myself over and over on this trip that it wasn't about the photography; it was about the people, the experience and learning from my friend. That mantra is what helped me calm down enough to only pack one film camera. That and knowing at worst I could beg and plead to use his M6 if mine should fail.

Excellent point also about the digital-revisionist photography. I know exactly what you're talking about and it feels like a safety blanket. Not knowing what I had photography wise gave me some anxiety and I didn't really start feeling good until a few nights ago when I started processing the B&W stuff.

All-in-all, I'm pretty happy with the results and somewhat proud of myself for sticking with it and using an all-manual film camera for a week on a vacation. Very atypical and difficult for most outside of this forum/interest group.
 
A stimulating discussion thank you and inspiration to take less and not stress so much. Worrying the whole time about which lens to use or ending up with a sore shoulder from the weight of gear is not a recepie for enjoying yourself.

I have a couple of photographs from 5 months in South America 12 years ago that really help to take me back there - I look at these images (the first rays of the sun at the Sun Gate at Machu Pichu, the incredible glacier blue intensity of Lago Grey at Torres del Paine in Chile) to remind me - but then I close my eye to remember. It's only after I prompt but then shut of the visual stimulus that the sense-memory of being there surfaces - the crispness of the dawn, the howl of the wind).

A wonderful photo set that I am sure will invoke your sense-memories. I love the pop of the colour shots. The insence sticks and drifting smoke is a particularly evocotive one, and the moon series fron the salt farms tell a real story.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experiences there, jjj22... I agree with clayne as a result of some overseas trips. Most recently I took a Pentax dSLR and one prime, a 24mm. The previous time I took an M8 with 28 and 35mm lenses, plus a spare M8 body that was not used. I like packing a minimal but useful kit.

I've not been to SE Asia, but a trip there would be interesting and educational.
 
Brilliant set of photos - It really makes me feel embarrassed about all the gear talk I participate in and even instigate. I made a thread asking which 35mm lens to buy and there are people that will only buy leica, people that will only buy zeiss, people that say the nokton 35mm has bad bokeh etc etc.

This is one of those moments that reminds me that photography is not about taking photos of blur and judging how pleasing it is, or taking photos of a brick wall to see how the lens distorts or how soft it is in the corners. It's about the subject, and you show this oh so well.
 
Superb photo's, I would agree with Dayne comments above, The constant checking of what the image looks like I find takes away from the experience of immersing yourself in the environment. (Aside from the fact that guys with digital cameras ALWAYS want to show you their pictures when they see you shooting film)

I travel with a similar setup in Thailand; the one mistake that I made on the last trip was not having a backup body to my M7. I will never travel without a back up camera body again. I have not had the issue of finding places to process slide film yet.
 
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