for those of you reminiscing about the deleted thread
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160449
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160449
what happen to the recent "which 4x5 camera to buy" thread?
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f16sunshine
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More likely affluenza than a mental condition but your point is well concieved.
How many teens do we know who can spend $1000 a month on old cameras.
He was prefty close to that number.
He's a young guy and probably lacking IRL interpersonal experiences.
It's quite common these days for young folks to not socialize well.
The best we older and younger folks can do is set good examples.
Ha! ... I sound preachy 😛
Thank you barkeep for restoring the thread! 🙂
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Yes, we have lost some valuable threads. The one that comes most readily to mind for me, was about identifying certain wartime Leica IIIcs that had ball bearings in the shutters. It would have been a valuable thread for collectors, but it is long gone.
rbiemer
Unabashed Amateur
Keith, I tend to agree with you except for the "off balance, etc..." My take is that he was a teenager. With quite a bit of disposable income--or, perhaps more likely, with a pretty big allowance.
Doesn't matter, really which it was. He was clearly enthusiastic and not well focused 🙂rolleyes🙂. I think us old farts could benefit by having that kind of energy around here. 🙂
Rob
Keith I think there is probably some truth in what you say. I've gleaned more solid information about photography from RFF than any other single site on the web and remain grateful for the goodwill of the members of this community. Personally I am really happy to share whatever knowledge or expertise I have when I can and have tried to do so, regularly. It doesn't bother me when someone asks a lot of questions, if they're interested in learning about a particular topic or topics. Justin did that. But he demonstrated absolutely zero interest in educating himself--he expected to be spoon fed, every time he wanted information. Surely, you have to admit that it is not very easy to stay motivated when trying to educate a person, who is exhibiting absolutely zero interest in educating themself?
Cheers,
Brett
x-ray
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Like a lot of people he'd already made up his mind as to what he was going to do before he asked the question and was looking for confirmation that his decision was the right one. Any you're right he showed no interest in educating himself. A couple of us recommended books on exposure and metering, processing the Negative and camera / lens choice. He was always unresponsive to the idea of crawling before you walk and walk before you run. There's a lot of learning before you become acomplished at photography.
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
I must have missed whatever the final straw was. But he wasn't half as annoying, destructive, or rude as another member I've noticed has recently gone from the forums.
There are several people like that on these forums. Only the rest of them post so infrequently that I think most of us don't notice it (there's one person in particular who likes to ask extremely specific and inane questions that he could easily answer himself using google, but he only seems to post a new thread every year or so).
I wouldn't say Justin's questions were quite as inane, and I think some people were unjustifiably hostile towards him.
infrequent
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Well said.
Prest_400
Multiformat
When the situation got a bit comical (if that can describe it) last week I PM'ed the OP here when I saw his post querying about deleted posts. As someone who studied culture into the context of business, I just felt I had to do a bit of a write up.
I overlooked the possibility of the guy having Asperger's, rather attributing it to an exaggerated misfocusing of energies towards gear. In any case, he already had his mind made up and the postings just sought some external validation.
It is interesting how varied we are. If we all met there'd be lots of differences in backgrounds and upbringings. Also shows how relatively easy it can be to draw misunderstandings in the limitations of a written forum.
I overlooked the possibility of the guy having Asperger's, rather attributing it to an exaggerated misfocusing of energies towards gear. In any case, he already had his mind made up and the postings just sought some external validation.
Agreed, but it is an issue shared by many people and there's a point I learnt about letting things go. Sometimes we try to put more passion that others do not reciprocate.
We may have very well seen an example of a "Little Emperor" phenomenon. That's what I instantly thought when I felt there was a rather over abundant perception about money.
It is interesting how varied we are. If we all met there'd be lots of differences in backgrounds and upbringings. Also shows how relatively easy it can be to draw misunderstandings in the limitations of a written forum.
David Hughes
David Hughes
We are being a bit harsh. In my teens I could go out and buy any one of 3 or 4 magazines and they dealt entirely with film and film cameras and were written (with one or two exceptions) by experts. So things were fairly straight forward.
Nowadays you can buy a million magazines dealing with digital wonders and software etc but nothing about film, except as a curiosity. So he/she turns to the internet and gets bewildered because any idiot can post something believable. You only have to add in the wonders of internet sales and auction sites where non SLR's are usually described as RF's and the brain will overload.
And even 'though this is one of the best website we don't exactly agree amongst ourselves do we? So it's no wonder more questions get asked...
Regards, David
Nowadays you can buy a million magazines dealing with digital wonders and software etc but nothing about film, except as a curiosity. So he/she turns to the internet and gets bewildered because any idiot can post something believable. You only have to add in the wonders of internet sales and auction sites where non SLR's are usually described as RF's and the brain will overload.
And even 'though this is one of the best website we don't exactly agree amongst ourselves do we? So it's no wonder more questions get asked...
Regards, David
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
Really disappointed with this thread really. Starting a discussion where we criticize a random guy with bad ideas does not do this community any justice and does not contribute to photographic knowledge.
If the OP deletes this thread, i will not miss it.
I think it will be a better idea to start a new thread on buying 4x5 cameras and leave this thread behind.
If the OP deletes this thread, i will not miss it.
I think it will be a better idea to start a new thread on buying 4x5 cameras and leave this thread behind.
Richard G
Veteran
Sometimes I've found more fulfillment with my flawed students than my brilliant ones.....
robert blu
quiet photographer
I'm with Keith here. I fully understand the disappointment by people who helped him with suggestions which probably have been ignored.
But sometimes in a community, and in my opinion RFF is a community, an excellent community someone "off balance" can be tolerated and in the long run also provide ideas...maybe...
robert
Roger Hicks
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Dear Robert,
Sure, we can put up with financially overprivileged twits with the attention span of a stunned herring. But as others have said, it is quite another thing to delete information that others might well find useful. Certainly, when I reply to someone, I bear in mind that on an open forum, many others will also read what I write and that my comments may be more use to them than to the OP; and by the same token, I learn things from the answers to questions posed by others -- quite possibly questions I wouldn't have thought to ask.
Cheers,
R.
robert blu
quiet photographer
yes, I agree Roger, it's always bad when a thread collecting useful informations goes lost. I agree.
robert
PS: bye the way sorry to inform you this year we'll skip Arles 🙁 hope you and Frances enjoy it ! And if possible make a good report, as always!
robert
PS: bye the way sorry to inform you this year we'll skip Arles 🙁 hope you and Frances enjoy it ! And if possible make a good report, as always!
x-ray
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Here's his response to my post on the Large Format Forum.
Doesn't add up.
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To everyone, I didn't delete the threads, it's because I got banned forever from RFF... Just to clear that up, they didn't even tell me before hand that I'm going to get banned"
I also received a PM on LFF from another forum member that this is true. ???
Doesn't add up.
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To everyone, I didn't delete the threads, it's because I got banned forever from RFF... Just to clear that up, they didn't even tell me before hand that I'm going to get banned"
I also received a PM on LFF from another forum member that this is true. ???
infrequent
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Perhaps for someone who is so unimpressed by him, maybe you should consider leaving him alone on other forums. Just a thought.
newfilm
Well-known
To my understanding a ban was made (for another reason), and that deactivates all his threads, mod says that only threads that deactivates due to ban can be restore, but not the one that was selectively deleted. The statements he din't delete all was at lease true, to my understanding.
x-ray
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You might not have seen where he scammed one of the forum members on a camera. He apparently sold a camera, didn't provide tracing, didn't respond to messages and after two months the camera hadn't arrived. People should be made aware of his tactics.
Let's just say that his forum posts weren't necessarily the issue. The ban cannot be explained by what you see on the surface. Sorry, but I say this in hopes of this thread dying ...
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