WHAT is in the water in Wyoming these days?!

photomoof said:
As one, who for many years had "farm income", I don't think there is anyone who is making money, who is not a corporation, trust, or partnership. You are being sentimental. :) Most are privately held, but many issue stock.
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Just to clarify, the laughably mendacious piece in Slate was not referencing farms, it was advancing ludicrous falsehoods about e.coli in the watersheds here and the influence of the big money from big ranchers in Wyoming on the State government. LOL. In my comments I was specifically addressing that.

The situation of cattle ranchers, presently at least, is not analogous to that of farming in this country, which has migrated to the corporate model, for better or for worse. One would have to completely agree with you about the demise of family farming in this country. There are farm subsidies for farmers, and insane dislocations to farming like the ethanol subsidy. That has had a lot to do with the demise of the family farm, and the rise of agribusiness, which is better equipped to game the federal system.

None of that pertains to cattle ranching, which, at least in Wyoming, has remained a family enterprise. This was the what was falsely characterized in the Slate piece, which, btw, is what used to be known as yellow journalism, not investigative journalism. But, I live here, one mile off the Snake River, as it happens, so how could I be as aware of local water conditions as a fantasist lawyer in Denver with an agenda?

I wish I was a better landscape photographer, ironic given where I live, but those who are should come out and look for yourselves. Talk to people who actually live here. I don't have time to go into the whole ins and outs of the facts about water quality in Wyoming. Suffice it to say, facts were not allowed in the Slate piece. Like most states in the Mountain West, and Wyoming is undoubtedly cleaner than Colorado, the danger, minor such as it is, is from giardia, not e.coli. And the giardia comes from wildlife like the mountain goats, and antelope, not cattle. And our wildlife is our best feature, so we deal with it.
This addendum submitted for those who are interested in truth, which, apparent from comments, is not quite 100%.
It was ever thus.
 
Larry Cloetta said:
Where is the Stasi when you need them?!
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Oh please. Larry, the whole point is that in this country we _don't need_ "the Stasi. Why not? Well, because up to very recent times, we had actual investigative journalists, ordinary citizens actually, who could document and report on violations.

And sorry, but small, private ranchers do not get a pass. Pollution is pollution, and if you want to keep the pristine wilderness that you all rave about being so beautiful in Wyoming and elsewhere in our country, then you will STOP taking away people's ability to QUESTION and INVESTIGATE what they see.
 
Livesteamer said:
Might I humbly suggest that the real motive behind all this is not politics or religion but money. Big money with big ranches full of cattle. Some have claimed America is no longer a Republic but rather an Oligarchy controlled by a few very wealthy interests.

Just a thought. Joe
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Some profess to the truth, but money usually hides behind the guise of politics and religion.

So the motive behind the money is whom? Land developers? The catalyst has to come from somewhere..
 
JOneZero said:
Oh please. Larry, the whole point is that in this country we _don't need_ "the Stasi. Why not? Well, because up to very recent times, we had actual investigative journalists, ordinary citizens actually, who could document and report on violations.

And sorry, but small, private ranchers do not get a pass. Pollution is pollution, and if you want to keep the pristine wilderness that you all rave about being so beautiful in Wyoming and elsewhere in our country, then you will STOP taking away people's ability to QUESTION and INVESTIGATE what they see.
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Nobody is getting a pass, have you even been listening? Does nobody read any more, or is it all Buttbook, blog posts and Twitter? People should broaden their horizons, and that doesn't mean adding Salon and Huffpo to Slate..
I was on the Board of the Jackson Hole Wildlife Foundation for years, and a member of the Conservation Alliance here. I live here. When I saw this absurd article referenced here on RFF, about a law which addresses trespassing, not photography or the environment, which contains false statements about e.coli in the watershed, I thought people might want to be better informed. My bad. Apparently, that's the last thing some people want.

Have it your way. I confess, I made it all up. It's horrible here. All the photos of clear Wyoming rivers lakes and streams you see in travel magazines--every one of those was taken in Alaska. It is horrible here! Stay away! The rivers! Every one of them has cows in them, live ones pooping, dead ones rotting! Every stream is worse than the Ganges, but without the prayer flags! Cows, cows, cows! Worse, than cows, Republican cows! I'd move, but my car is covered in cadmium and plutonium from the Big Corporate Nazi open pit mines that cover the entire state, and even Sean Penn won't come in here to save us.
It is awful! Really, stay away! Save Yourselves!
 
 
It's already a crime to tresspass.

:rolleyes:

This is corruption, Like Chris Christie or Hillary Clinton, Bob Menendez, or Rick Scott, Barack Obama or Jeb Bush. You're just a happy guy, to be harvested of whatever surplus value you possess above what you need to feed and shelter yourself.

:)
 
Bad laws come and go but sarcastic reactions are here to stay :p

Keep your knickers from twisting up everyone.
It's a photography forum remember? :)

Ps. Moving this to the "off topic" section. It is not a photography general interest subject.
 
In other news, the senate had a vote today whether to bundle the fast track sellout trade promotion permanent corporate fascism authority resident Obama wants with 3 other bills, mainly some handwaving currency manipulation thing (China vs schumer/wall st.), and failed to move it forward.

Desultory good news, but it's probably just the punk Wyden et al trying to make a fake little stand before caving and running out of town, like democrats usually do. They mainly want the headline that there seems to be some kind of principle somewhere that was stood up for, yay. After they get that they can move on to selling us out, which then becomes something nobody mentions in polite company. We'll see how it goes, but I guess Hillary's still doing some listening, lmfao.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/241780-senate-deals-stinging-defeat-to-obama-trade-agenda

Warren 2016!
 
Ranchu said:
Desultory good news, but it's probably just the punk Wyden et al trying to make a fake little stand before caving and running out of town, like democrats usually do. They mainly want the headline that there seems to be some kind of principle somewhere that was stood up for, yay.
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Yup. Later that day. The cave.

'Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who rallied his caucus to reject the fast-track measure on a procedural vote, has already floated a plan to find a way out of the impasse by offering to drop a customs bill, which includes anti-currency manipulation language, from his party’s list of demands.'

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/trade-vote-senate-mitch-mcconnell-117850.html?hp=t2_r

Punks.
 
f16sunshine said:
Bad laws come and go but sarcastic reactions are here to stay :p

Keep your knickers from twisting up everyone.
It's a photography forum remember? :)

Ps. Moving this to the "off topic" section. It is not a photography general interest subject.
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I did actually consider the various options regarding where to place the thread. Pertaining to alleged limitations on the practice of photography, and not relating to any particular type nor make of camera the General subforum seemed most apt. I note that another thread about London's metro police is in the general subforum but also that one about laws Texas proposed to limit photography was moved to the "Business of Photography" subforum. If I started it in the location not most appropriate, my apologies.

Perhaps I should clarify that it was never my intention to ruffle feathers by posting the link. But there have been a number of discussions recently about various jurisdictions interfering with the ability of people to make images. I posted the link because: (A) I thought the many US members of RFF might wish to be aware of its content, and; (B) as Tasmania is a very long way from Wyoming, I have no knowledge of any background behind the issues involved and was genuinely interested in learning more. Note the past tense.
Cheers,
Brett
 
x-ray said:
If the property is posted no trespassing it doesn't matter what your reason is, stay out.
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Trespass has always been against the law. However the law, in part, reads " 'Open land' means land outside the exterior boundaries of any incorporated city, town,subdivision"

That is a pretty broad definition. If we apply the "letter of the law," the national forests and BLM land would be open land. And for those who do not know it, a lot of that land is open to grazing by permit. So you could be in violation of trespass and illegal data gathering on public land.

However I think this law will get thrown out as if violates the First Amendment and the Clean Water Act and therefor is illegal under the Supremacy Clause.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

This is grandstanding by those who claim our freedom is being trampled on, but step on other people's freedom.
 
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