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Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
I would contact the seller and raise the two points with him/her. If the price was right, though, I would consider sending it in for a CLA - while it's there have the lens lock replaced. Anything I buy on eBay gets at least a once-over from DAG.
It's up to you.
It's up to you.
JimG
dogzen
This is true Bill I do usually sent new Bay purchases to DAG anyway and I think it was a good price. I was just concerned that it might turn into a costly repair but maybe I'll get lucky and it wont be.
FrankS
Registered User
For sure bring up the 2 issues with the seller and you should get some money back. If not, you have to decide whether the deal was good enough as is.
photogdave
Shops local
Why do people persist with buying from eBay?
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Here's why
Here's why
Well, I bought a 1946 IIIC on eBay for $150.00. I sent it to John Maddox for a full CLA, for $112.50 plus shipping. Now I have a IIIc that works like new, for a total cost of $262.50. Is there a way to do better? 🙂
Here's why
photogdave said:
Well, I bought a 1946 IIIC on eBay for $150.00. I sent it to John Maddox for a full CLA, for $112.50 plus shipping. Now I have a IIIc that works like new, for a total cost of $262.50. Is there a way to do better? 🙂
JimG
dogzen
photogdave said:
Hope springs eternal? Mass delusion? I don't know but I ask myself that allot.
colyn
ישו משיח
photogdave said:
M2 $275...M3 $300...IIIc $193...DR Summicron $149...all in good working order.
I sold a IIIc last week for $511
Deals can be had if you know what to look for but you can get ripped if you don't communicate with the seller.
Ororaro
Well-known
photogdave said:
Okay, Mr. Smart, tell me another way to have saved at least 15,000$ in photo equipment in the past 2 years if not through eBay.
Of course you can't. eBay rules, no matter how much you dislike that fact.
JimG
dogzen
Lots of times KEH sells for less then what gear can go for ebay and I know they will make good on any problems, also. I have also seen used CV stuff sell for then what Stephen Gandy will sell it for new. About the only way to protect yourself on eBay is to buy from reputable on line dealers and pass on the "I don't know anything about these cameras but....." types.
Ororaro
Well-known
JimG said:
And that's why KEH sells on ebay too, eh?
drewbarb
picnic like it's 1999
Jim- sorry to hear about the bummer story. Definately contact the seller and see if they will rectify the two problems- they should. Hopefully you got the camera for a good enough deal as is.
Why do people persist in buying from ebay? Well, everything is there these days- 90% of people selling stuff sell it on ebay. (How many good swap meets and flea markets are left in your area?) Annyway, I've been pretty lucky with ebay, and have found a few nice things there. I think if you treat people online as you would in person, and use as much care as you would when dealing with a stranger face to face, you can do well there. Of course I have heard the horror stories, and I know they happen; but being careful and fair (and lucky), the worst that's ever happened to me is this: I won an auction for a Nikon FM2 from a big-name regular seller with pretty good feedback. It was a good price; I sent a money order. The camera arrived a few weeks late, in a shoe box, with no body cap- or packing materials. (!?!?) The mirror was smashed, among other problems. I just sent it back, with a note. I've not done business with the seller since.
However, they refunded my shipping- even before the package arrived- and once it finally did come, they quickly gave me a refund of the whole amount. (I sent an email alerting them to the imminent arrival of the package headed back to them.) Their feedback has since improved, so maybe they were going through some iGrowing Pains, and occasionally I consider trying them again.
I still use ebay from time to time. Let the user Beware.
Why do people persist in buying from ebay? Well, everything is there these days- 90% of people selling stuff sell it on ebay. (How many good swap meets and flea markets are left in your area?) Annyway, I've been pretty lucky with ebay, and have found a few nice things there. I think if you treat people online as you would in person, and use as much care as you would when dealing with a stranger face to face, you can do well there. Of course I have heard the horror stories, and I know they happen; but being careful and fair (and lucky), the worst that's ever happened to me is this: I won an auction for a Nikon FM2 from a big-name regular seller with pretty good feedback. It was a good price; I sent a money order. The camera arrived a few weeks late, in a shoe box, with no body cap- or packing materials. (!?!?) The mirror was smashed, among other problems. I just sent it back, with a note. I've not done business with the seller since.
However, they refunded my shipping- even before the package arrived- and once it finally did come, they quickly gave me a refund of the whole amount. (I sent an email alerting them to the imminent arrival of the package headed back to them.) Their feedback has since improved, so maybe they were going through some iGrowing Pains, and occasionally I consider trying them again.
I still use ebay from time to time. Let the user Beware.
photogdave
Shops local
For starters, buying used gear from reputable dealers who offer you the chance to view and test the equipment in person, often with some sort of warranty or refund.NB23 said:
My reply was partly tongue-in-cheek by the way. I realize not everyone has access to good camera shops and online purchases may be the only option.
But there are people who think eBay is the Holy Grail of camera deals to the point of ignoring other options. It's this type of attitude that is having a negative effect on traditional brick and mortar operations. For everyone who has claimed to save X amount of $$ on eBay, I see someone who has been royally screwed. I'm not saying this is an accurate fact, just my observation.
I think your work is very good, by the way.
Regards,
Mr. Smart
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Bike Tourist
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photogdave said:
Last week, I bought a M- Voigtlander T 101 Heliar set with all boxes and literature for $611.00. After running a roll through it I found it had a serious light leak through the back door window.
The seller refunded $50.00, making the total cost $561.00. This is a steal for an item that goes for $1100 when available.
I will have the back door repaired sometime. Meanwhile, a piece of black tape, neatly positioned over the window, completely eliminates the problem.
foto_fool
Well-known
Does anyone know how much JimG's bayonet lock repair will cost him?
Sure, eBay sucks, blah blah, yadda yadda. Want a real roller coaster - try CraigsList. Deal with "interesting characters" face-to-face - put up signs for a garage sale. Have not sold on RFF yet but my first buying experience was a bit of a nail biter.
- John
Sure, eBay sucks, blah blah, yadda yadda. Want a real roller coaster - try CraigsList. Deal with "interesting characters" face-to-face - put up signs for a garage sale. Have not sold on RFF yet but my first buying experience was a bit of a nail biter.
- John
JimG
dogzen
NB23: That's why I said "About the only way to protect yourself "is to buy from reputable on line dealers" because there are many honest dealers at ebay like Alexphoto, Certo6, LeicaTime and many others.
If I was unclear thanks' for pointing it out I would not want to put these people in the same group as the many dishonest dealers on ebay.
If I was unclear thanks' for pointing it out I would not want to put these people in the same group as the many dishonest dealers on ebay.
Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
foto_fool said:
A 2 min. phone call to DAG (or some other reputable repair person) would answer that question. But I can say with certainty it won't break the bank.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
When you're dealing with people on eBay. The name of the game is "post-sale discounts" accompanied by "courteous correspondence". These two are the equivalent of "kicking the tires and negotiating fairly" on eBay.
19 out of 20 (almost literally) I got a reasonable post-sale discounts when I:
- explain the problem clearly (with digital snapshots if applicable)
- never assume/accuse that the seller is lying in their auction description
- ask politely
- let the seller decide how much the discount should be
In my experience (150 or so transactions) the eBay sellers are people with decent integrity and honesty. By corresponding with them, sometimes we swap stories, experiences and know a little bit about someone else's lives. Way more meaningful and rewarding than reading the mainstream media these days, IMHO.
eBay itself, while far from perfect, are way better than any other out there at brokering transactions.
So the question should be: Why not buy through eBay? if you know how to do it properly?
19 out of 20 (almost literally) I got a reasonable post-sale discounts when I:
- explain the problem clearly (with digital snapshots if applicable)
- never assume/accuse that the seller is lying in their auction description
- ask politely
- let the seller decide how much the discount should be
In my experience (150 or so transactions) the eBay sellers are people with decent integrity and honesty. By corresponding with them, sometimes we swap stories, experiences and know a little bit about someone else's lives. Way more meaningful and rewarding than reading the mainstream media these days, IMHO.
eBay itself, while far from perfect, are way better than any other out there at brokering transactions.
So the question should be: Why not buy through eBay? if you know how to do it properly?
JimG
dogzen
I called KEH's repair dept. this morning they said it would be $45 plus parts or CLA for $145 the repair included.
Thanks' John and Bill.
Thanks' John and Bill.
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