When will Leica introduce the M240's Successor ?

[uhoh7]

Educated guess: September/October

What school did you attend? 😀

 

[Tijmendal]

It will be not easy to tell current owners of M240 cameras that they need to dump them for a better one.

Just like when M9 owners got told they had to upgrade to the M240.

I for one hope the new M will come soon. It's a little overdue (the cycle was about 3 years up till now) and I for one can't wait for M9 prices to drop a little more so I can buy one 🙂

 

[Luke_Miller]

All I can add is that for several weeks now my Leica dealer has had no new digital Ms in stock and just yesterday listed a batch of M demos and refurbs. Very much like the situation just before the M-240 was announced.

 

[anselwannab]

The 262 is like an M-E version of the M9. I'm guessing that we will hear about it in 2Q16, and available in the later summer/early fall. It's not like they have any competition outside of the rumored X-Pro2, which isn't really a competitor. I don't see any major changes- more MP, better EVFs offered. I'd rather wait to see them get the dimensions down closer to the film Ms.

 

[Ronald M]

My thought is that the train is leaving, or maybe has left, the station. M240 resolution, buffer, ISO and LV just don't belong in the current market. My loyalty at this point is just to my lenses.

I use a Monochrom, but I've checked and its files are not impressively superior in 17x22 prints to A7R files. The Sony sensor's higher resolution just about makes up for eliminating the Bayer array.

I run into quite a few folks - from students to elders - who think of themselves as 'fine art' photographers. Few still regard Leica as a camera to take seriously, even if they could afford one. Even to those devoted to street photography, it's hard to recommend an M240, esp. because of ISOs and banding, or even an M9 (since sensor difficulties). Many are trying Sonys and Fujis.

Leica seems devoted to bringing out Summiluxes in wider focal lengths, at the time when other manufacturers are making reasonably priced f1.8s f2s coupled with sensors that can deal quite well with 'available darkness' problems. Better sensors, not faster lenses, are the way to go?

So IMO the appropriate release data for the next FF Leica doesn't appear in this poll – it was sometime in the past.

Kirk

Ah for sure. 1.4 are too big and too expensive. Depth of field too small.

Just bought a 24 3.8. Near perfect lens, small and light. I have learned over the years, for me, big glass gets left home.

For low light, D750 Nikon. I still need some depth of field so I use 6400.
It has zooms because I frequently have no time to change lenses. 24/120
plus 70/210 is a frequent package.

 

[Tijmendal]

The 262 is like an M-E version of the M9. I'm guessing that we will hear about it in 2Q16, and available in the later summer/early fall. It's not like they have any competition outside of the rumored X-Pro2, which isn't really a competitor. I don't see any major changes- more MP, better EVFs offered. I'd rather wait to see them get the dimensions down closer to the film Ms.

As far as I'm concerned, size should be the highest thing on Leica's list right now. Not like I could afford one, but that's the only thing I'd look out for (when in a year or 5 they will somewhat affordable).

 

[lucianboboc]

I hope the new M will have a hybrid OVF/EVF and Q's sensor. Also a larger buffer. M262 is expensive for what it offers in 2015, the same sensor as the one released 3 years ago and the same buffer?


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[jaapv]

M262 is expensive for what it offers in 2015, the same sensor as the one released 3 years ago and the same buffer?

It is the cheapest M in the lineup.
The M262 is to the M240 what the ME was to the M9, so what other sensor should Leica do? The Q sensor is optimized to work together with the Q lens, so that one is out, the SL sensor more biased to DSLR-like applications, so they would have had to develop a dedicated M262 one. Not likely for a stripped entry-level model that is supposed to exist in parallel to the next M.

 

[bobby_novatron]

Is it just my imagination or are we already starting to see prices of M 240's begin to slide? I've been watching the classifieds (on RFF and elsewhere) off-and-on for the past few months, and M 240's seem to have lost 5-10% of their value compared to 3 months ago.

Perhaps it's indicative of what the market will pay for technology on the cusp of a refresh. Still, there's nothing terrible about the M 240, it's a fine camera.

 

[jaapv]

Possibly, it might also be that a few more cameras are coming to the used market by some less-committed M owners switching to the SL.

 

[JOCO34]

I am not an expert on the business of Camera sales but it occurs to me several things are going on here. First there are two markets for the M. The folks who buy equipment and those who buy cameras to shoot. When the M8 came out it was very interesting to both groups. When the M9 offered a FF and other quirks the equip folks and some shooters were early adopters but many found the M8 just fine for their needs. The M seemed to solve some issues and more folks split off and jumped on board but there are many photographers still using M8 & M9 based cameras. This creates a lot of inertia to new sales with all of the perfectly fine digital Leicas in the marketplace. It will take a lot for me to give up my M8 and newly acquired used M240. As to Leica moving away from the "1950's" rangefinder concept, I don't think so, they still make film cameras after all. I own three Leica and three Zeiss lenses all committed to the Leica mount. That's quite a financial commitment not to mention the great quality obtained by them. I am sure many of you on the forum are evenly more committed in both lenses and cameras. If my M8 dies I most likely won't fix it. If the M finally wears out I will buy the latest version used or maybe new depending on my financial situation.
I don't believe that Leica will walk away from the M concept but will co-develop other cameras while the M will settle down to something close to the present model.

 

[roboflick]

My favorite Leica lens The 50 Summilux works wonderfully on my Sony a 7 I with close up adapter which lest me focus at 28 cm. and I can use the upcoming Techart adapter which allows auto focus. I do look forward to what the m11 will bring. But for my purpose the 1300 dollar a7ii works very well. And allows me to spend more money on lenses

Nik

 

[jaapv]

An autofocus adapter is not optimal for a lens with floating elements (assuming you have the asph)

 

[Godfrey]

When they do, they do. It matters not one whit to me when Leica offers their next M.

Seriously, are you all such good photographers that you've exhausted every iota of performance and quality that the M/M-P typ 240 can offer? If so, I'm out of my league here. I figure that in a couple more years of practice, I might begin to approach using a discernible fraction of what it can do.

When Leica comes up with a new camera, I'll ponder then whether I want it. Need it? Hardly. No "better" camera is going to make me a better photographer, and the cameras I have now will do more than I will ever need already.

 

[jsrockit]

When they do, they do. It matters not one whit to me when Leica offers their next M.

Seriously, are you all such good photographers that you've exhausted every iota of performance and quality that the M/M-P typ 240 can offer?

Come on man, be nice. You buy a lot of cameras that you don't need as well.

 

[mervynyan]

They will probably get the SL 50 lens out this year. I am keen to get a SL now. M is not the attraction of the season. I can't think of anything Leica can add other than pixels on M.

 

[sojournerphoto]

I can't think of anything Leica can add other than pixels on M.

Plus, better, Fuji style, integrated hybrid evf solution alongside mechanical rf, in body stabilisation, super resolution, lower noise and, broadly equivalently, improved dynamic range.

If they have to let video go, so be it😉

 

[:: Mark]

Seriously, are you all such good photographers that you've exhausted every iota of performance and quality that the M/M-P typ 240 can offer?

Not everyone here has a digital Leica. When a new body is released it may either offer something compelling (better eye relief, easier DIY focus calibration, electronic sensor cleaning, etc), or it may push down second hand prices.

Either way, Photokina is not that far away now...

 

[Godfrey]

Come on man, be nice. You buy a lot of cameras that you don't need as well.

Absolutely true. But I don't sit around postulating when the next one might be available. If something new comes out and I want one of them, I buy it.

I buy what is, I don't wish and wait around for what might become.

G

 

[Godfrey]

Not everyone here has a digital Leica. When a new body is released it may either offer something compelling (better eye relief, easier DIY focus calibration, electronic sensor cleaning, etc), or it may push down second hand prices.

Either way, Photokina is not that far away now...

Does everyone here need or even want a digital Leica? That was never my impression of RFF.

I don't expect any radical departures for the next M ... that's not the way Leica has been developing the M line. I expect subtle improvements.

G