Horatio
Masked photographer
Looking seriously at a Zeiss Planar T* ZM or a Voigtlander Nokton Vintage Line Aspherical for my M3. I like the looks of the Planar, but the Nokton is cheaper, and faster (f1.5 vs f2).
Which 50mm?
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Bill Blackwell
Leica M Shooter
I'm assuming you're talking about the original M-mount version of the Nokton?
I've owned the Planar and it renders very similarly to the v.3 Summicron. Although I've never owned the Nokton, based on on-line reviews the Planar is far superior when tested on a digital M camera. However, while the differences are clear on digital (again, according to on-line reviews), I doubt you'd see much difference between them on film.
I've owned the Planar and it renders very similarly to the v.3 Summicron. Although I've never owned the Nokton, based on on-line reviews the Planar is far superior when tested on a digital M camera. However, while the differences are clear on digital (again, according to on-line reviews), I doubt you'd see much difference between them on film.
WJJ3
Well-known
The first CV 50mm f1.5 Nokton in screw mount is a good choice for the M3 because the MFD on both is 0.9m. The loss of rangefinder coupling in the focus range closer than 0.9m when using lenses like the Planar or new Nokton bothers some people.
raid
Dad Photographer
You seem to like modern lenses.
I recommend the rigid Summicron and the CV 50/1.5ltm for the M3.
The Canon 50/1.5 or 50/1.4 are great lenses too.
I recommend the rigid Summicron and the CV 50/1.5ltm for the M3.
The Canon 50/1.5 or 50/1.4 are great lenses too.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
OP needs to be more specific.
" Voigtlander Nokton Vintage Line Aspherical" could be anything. From LTM to sadomazo M and most current retro one.
I had Planar and it was the lens I get rid of sooner than sadomazo Nokton-M 50 1.5.
Planar was just as awful in handling as boring lens in rendering. Sadomazo Nokton-M 50 1.5 was lovely lens on bw film (rendering). Crappy hood and sadomazo focus ring were my departure points.
Current retro 50 1.5 retro Nokton looks just like Jupiter-3 with hint of ZM Sonnar 50 1.5. Honestly, it looks like first collaboration of Zeiss and Viogtlander on same Cosina factory. The Frankenstein of CV 35/2 and ZM Sonnar 50 1.5.
My guess LTM 50 1.5 Nokton is as good as sadomazo Nokton-M, optically on bw film.
" Voigtlander Nokton Vintage Line Aspherical" could be anything. From LTM to sadomazo M and most current retro one.
I had Planar and it was the lens I get rid of sooner than sadomazo Nokton-M 50 1.5.
Planar was just as awful in handling as boring lens in rendering. Sadomazo Nokton-M 50 1.5 was lovely lens on bw film (rendering). Crappy hood and sadomazo focus ring were my departure points.
Current retro 50 1.5 retro Nokton looks just like Jupiter-3 with hint of ZM Sonnar 50 1.5. Honestly, it looks like first collaboration of Zeiss and Viogtlander on same Cosina factory. The Frankenstein of CV 35/2 and ZM Sonnar 50 1.5.
My guess LTM 50 1.5 Nokton is as good as sadomazo Nokton-M, optically on bw film.
brusby
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The previous generations Nokton 50mm f1.5 are terrific lenses. Superb for portraits. The new one may be very nice too, but I haven't used it yet, so can't speak from experience. It would be my choice of the two you listed particularly on a film camera where the almost one extra stop would come in handy.
If you don't need the speed, I'd consider a dual range Summicron. Not the most compact of lenses, but it has great image quality, spectacular build quality, and unique ability to focus to roughly half a meter. Just need to find a good, clean copy.
If you don't need the speed, I'd consider a dual range Summicron. Not the most compact of lenses, but it has great image quality, spectacular build quality, and unique ability to focus to roughly half a meter. Just need to find a good, clean copy.
Horatio
Masked photographer
Ko, I thought I was being specific. 😀
It’s an M-mount design. I have no idea what generation it is. Looks like this.
It’s an M-mount design. I have no idea what generation it is. Looks like this.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
oh that's the 50 Nokton VM version... directly before the most recent one
It has a knurled focusing ring
Yummy Lens but then so is the planar
Both are Super !
One of each please
It has a knurled focusing ring
Yummy Lens but then so is the planar
Both are Super !
One of each please
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
Planar magic...
A Bitter Sweet day... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
Playin with her Doll-y... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
Subway mexicana by Helen Hill, on Flickr
A Bitter Sweet day... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
Playin with her Doll-y... by Helen Hill, on FlickrSubway mexicana by Helen Hill, on Flickr
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
Nokton 50 VM...to my eye is a bit rounder in plane, very Atmospheric wide open
Pondering... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2iJjy2L]
no one about...the New World order, YAY to EXPLORE by Helen Hill, on Flickr
under the 7[/url] by Helen Hill, on Flickr
Pondering... by Helen Hill, on Flickr
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2iJjy2L]
no one about...the New World order, YAY to EXPLORE by Helen Hill, on Flickr
under the 7[/url] by Helen Hill, on Flickr
Horatio
Masked photographer
Thanks for the i.d.
Now, why didn't I think of that?
Helen, you find the good in everything. Terrific images, BTW.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I had Planar ZM and this black Nokton at same time. They were not expensive LNIB few years ago.
Planar came with fancy packaged Zeiss labeled filter. And hood.
Nokton hood was keep on getting loose.
Zeiss got me most by its 1/3 hard clicks. Nokton focus ring was resistant to split second scale focusing. Kind of slow fast lens.
None of them had focus shift. I sold them for Cron V4 and it was lens with focus shifts and just totally flat on bw film. Switched to v3 Cron and it was better on BW film.
Personally I just can't handle 50mm for long on M. Sold my M3 DS ELC, because I didn't used it enough.
Helen gave me her rare, no fog Canon 50 1.8 ltm. My first attempt with this lens was with non removable, between glued elements fog.
I made focusing silk smooth with drop of the watch oil and switched focus tab to M handling. With 40 to 40.5 ring and 40.5 filter no hood is needed. Still need to shim it little bit, but it is OK as is. On LTM it is kind of big, but on M it is not big at all.
Don't forget, f1.5 is curtains burning aperture. f2 is not, it seems. Or at least not as fast to burn as f1.5.
Planar came with fancy packaged Zeiss labeled filter. And hood.
Nokton hood was keep on getting loose.
Zeiss got me most by its 1/3 hard clicks. Nokton focus ring was resistant to split second scale focusing. Kind of slow fast lens.
None of them had focus shift. I sold them for Cron V4 and it was lens with focus shifts and just totally flat on bw film. Switched to v3 Cron and it was better on BW film.
Personally I just can't handle 50mm for long on M. Sold my M3 DS ELC, because I didn't used it enough.
Helen gave me her rare, no fog Canon 50 1.8 ltm. My first attempt with this lens was with non removable, between glued elements fog.
I made focusing silk smooth with drop of the watch oil and switched focus tab to M handling. With 40 to 40.5 ring and 40.5 filter no hood is needed. Still need to shim it little bit, but it is OK as is. On LTM it is kind of big, but on M it is not big at all.
Don't forget, f1.5 is curtains burning aperture. f2 is not, it seems. Or at least not as fast to burn as f1.5.
Horatio
Masked photographer
Thanks for the insights, Ko. I do need to be mindful of the curtains. Never had to worry about that with my SLRs!
Horatio
Masked photographer
Thanks. I'll definitely keep that in mind. I have a LTM adapter.
How's the IQ with this version?
AlexBG
Well-known
Are you comparing these two lenses specifically or looking for a new lens and like the rendering of the planar and want to duplicate it with a cheaper lens?
AlexBG
Well-known
The first CV 50mm f1.5 Nokton in screw mount is a good choice for the M3 because the MFD on both is 0.9m. The loss of rangefinder coupling in the focus range closer than 0.9m when using lenses like the Planar or new Nokton bothers some people.
I'm getting this lens when my M3 is back from CLA, was unsure between the black or silver version but this photo has swayed me, looks like a perfect combo.
raid
Dad Photographer
I had the same question for the OP. I recommended the CV 50/1.5 (one from his two chosen ones). plus alternative lenses.
shawn
Veteran
Ko, I thought I was being specific. 😀
It’s an M-mount design. I have no idea what generation it is. Looks like this.
Wonderful lens on film and digital. I have it in silver. Probably my favorite 50mm.
Shawn
Horatio
Masked photographer
I have a Jupiter-3, and am (slowly) learning to deal with focus shift when shooting wide open. However, I would also like a newer lens, with more contrast, that's fast enough for 100 ISO B&W film. The two lenses I mentioned had caught my eye. IIRC the Zeiss has less distortion, but can develop a wobble with age. I also considered the 7Artisans 50mm 1.1, but I'd rather have something with no focus issues out of the box, so to speak. Leitz glass is too rich for my pocketbook at present.
Sonnar Brian
Established
The 50/1.5 Asph Nokton has negligible focus shift.
I did an informal comparison between the new v2 Nokton-M and my LTM version:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173012
I did an informal comparison between the new v2 Nokton-M and my LTM version:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173012
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