Why the obsession with "Leica Killers?"

John, given that Leicas aren't household appliances, you're right of course. But I'm speaking generally...and in terms of serious- or hobby-photographers (the intended market, I'm sure), there are very few who aren't familiar with Leica.

So, how about, "Leica is an iconic camera brand?"
Also, how many people are going to point to your slab of iStuff and say, "Hey, is that an iPod [or iPhone]? What model is it? What year?" iPhones aren't so much iconic as ubiquitous -- and, except to an Apple aficionador or dedicated admirer of portable telephones, they look pretty much like any other modern mobile 'phone.

Cheers,

R.
 
Saying that insulation is a fundamental technical change is about on a par with saying that when Leica started coating their viewfinder optics, it was a fundamental technical change. Both are incremental improvements in an existing technology.

Did this coatings have same impact on environment as change of insulator used in refrigerators? This is another important property of things humans make.
 
What is with every rumor site and spec chaser calling every mirrorless camera that hasn't been released yet a "Leica Killer?"

Oh, that?

It's called the internet, the greatest purveyor of BS the world has ever known. I mean, look at Zach Arias calling the X100S the "New Leica" in his blog, that is his opinion, not everyone's. It's about individual needs and wants. I want great photographs with a 35mm perspective in an affordable package that is small, light and as quiet as possible, so did the two shooters at Magnum who have completely dumped digital M's in favor of the X100S.

For me, yes, the X100S has officially "killed" any desire at all to own and operate a digital Leica, done! But that did not and will not kill Leica or be a Leica killer, LOL!

I sure love my 56' M3 and 63' 50 Summilux though, nothing will kill that...🙂
 
It's called the internet, the greatest purveyor of BS the world has ever known.

That's the truth.

I mean, look at Zach Arias calling the X100S the "New Leica" in his blog, that is his opinion, not everyone's. It's about individual needs and wants. I want great photographs with a 35mm perspective in an affordable package that is small, light and as quiet as possible, so did the two shooters at Magnum who have completely dumped digital M's in favor of the X100S.

Yeah, well me too... though it's the X-Pro1 and X100s for me. I may even like the X-Pro1, for my needs, over any Leica I've ever had. However, my satisfaction never once made me think Leica was in trouble though... 😀
 
Well said

Well said

I think you've nailed it. Some of the "experience" is the pride of having the very best or at least most expensive. Exclusiveness is rewarding in itself.

You know I think its statement that has many meaning.

First, I think people say Leica killer to acknowledge the quality produced by the system and insinuate that a Leica killer is a camera that approaches the IQ of the Leica system while being considerably cheaper and possessing a similar form factor. It produced the first full frame "mirrorless" camera, and this genre of camera seems to be the one type the interwebs wants more than anything. (Let's see if people put their money where their mouth is)

Its same with Corvette and GT-R fans. They call those cars Ferrari killers because they offer similar performance for a fraction of the cost, and in some categories outperform a ferrari. However, journalist invariably write about the experience of driving a Ferrari, and invariably a corvette and GT-R do not provide the same experience.

Leica sells an experience too. The rangefinder experience. The mystique of Henri Cartier Bresson and others.

Second, it seems that people show real animosity towards Leica products due to the cost of the system and the "collectible" variants that are released for princely sums. Lets admit that Leica has a mystique about its name, and it is a name that every hobbyist will eventually learn; upon learning of the Leica name they learn about the Leica price. This leads to bitterness and envy because the price of admission is way too high. Furthermore, Leica has moved to positioning itself as a luxury brand; all luxury brands are envied by many common people (people have shot each other over starter jackets). Its natural to see how the animosity towards Leica forms in the collective voice of the interwebs because Leica has positioned itself in the "if you gotta ask, you can't afford it" realm of the market.

People want the best, but when the best prices itself exorbitantly above the rest, people will clamor for a "killer" to dethrone the king and give access to best.
 
Yes and no...last weekend when I rode on my 10 years old MTB over autumn city hills, I said to myself how much I welcome this invention - I mean, stronger wheels, fatter tires and amazing speed mechanism. This is not what my grandma or dad used, they had to push bicycle on the hill if it were too steep. And I don't have to watch every bump or stone to keep wheels from warping.

All this thing you mention just seem to be same as 50 years ago, in fact, they are different - some by better materials and technology (hair dryers, gas stoves, refrigerators, electric drills...) and some rely on slightly or very different principles (television, recording/playback devices - I mean all that is digital now).

I have a bread toaster that my father bought in 1926 from mail order from USA. It still works... My dad "rewound " the heating element to work on 220V, it was originally 110V. It is a fantastic piece in the kitchen. Totally Art deco... Too bad he traded his leica from 1926 to paintings when a german guy wanted to get out of Finland as he thought Russians will invade Finland in 1944. Nothing digital, in both of them, and both work equally well today.
 
I guess the true test would be to allow any manufacturer to sell cameras marked Leica, and see who was still doing it in 10 years. Right?
 
So you mean to say there's someone out there killing Leica owners? Better get some electrical tape.
(womp womp)

I think it's safe to say the answer is that they are an expensive benchmark for 'small' digital cameras, albeit one that has an optical RF, which nobody aside from Cosina/Epson has even approached.

My investment-banker buddy was telling me about his pining after a Lexus, which he says outperforms the BMW 5-series at less cost, and without the stigma (who knows, I've never driven and don't particularly pay attention to these things). An argument that makes sense, but isn't really a true analog. Leica is unique in that they're the only one offering a mechanical RF. Then again, maybe that's not the point, since the argument about these Leica-killers is about image output rather than body features.


On a side note, I have been reading through old issues of PopPhoto from the 60s and 70s. I started photographing before the DSLR era, but never really read any photo magazines until a few years ago to pass time in the darkroom. It's interesting reading that camera body reviews focused exclusively on durability and accessories, and maybe, just maybe handling (since when you think about it, virtually every manual SLR has the same controls in the same place.)
 
I chose not to get M-240 because I feel Leica's technology is best suited to glass rather than electronics so I feel it is safer for me to back Sony for electronics with Zeiss looking after the glass. I will happily use my 28/50 Summicrons on my M6 Ti forever because that is what Leica is good at. Loved my M9 when I had it but always felt it could die at anytime.
 
I find my M Monochrom to have been worth every penny. I love the rangefinder sooting experience. An the Mono with a 35mm lens really matches my vision well. So for me and the way I see and work nothing is better and I tried a lot of things before buying an M Mono.
 
Jealousy :bang:

They only wish they could afford a new Leica....

If someone's view differs from your own it must be due to a moral failing?

Surely you can do better than that.

That's the best humorous answer I had at the moment.. 😛

Me, I have no issue with others owning Leica's...
I have owned a few Leica's in my day..
Just not as versatile for my photography.

The humor here with this crowd is good...
I do enjoy it very much,
my attempts, are just that... Attempts 😱
 
I'm sure this has been said... because of the brand cache Leica has, anything which compares a new camera favorable to them, helps them out.

Like saying a new sports car is a Porsche killer. Porsche is not under any threat, but it helps the new car to be compared with it. Nobody wants to be the Pinto Killer... or Yugo killer. You pick a name recognized by the layman as near the top of the field, when making comparisons.

That many of these new cameras actually do outperform Leica on many metrics (and at significantly lower cost) won't really affect Leica any more than Nissan's GTR sales significantly affect Ferrari's. Though, Leica *should* take note, imo.
 
^--- Beautifully stated.

Another commonality between Leica and Porsche: the M8/9/10 bodies, like the Cayenne, are bloated caricatures of 20th century design classics.

Give me an M6 or a 911 (or a 356) any day.
 
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