xe3 should be here tomorrow!

[MaxElmar]

It is true.

I will ley the data guide me rather than your ad-hoc opinion.

Willy - is the data on photonstophotos.net not uh.. representative or something? Because directly comparing XTrans II to Trans III is not impressive at all. (Basically identical.) I plan to upgrade from XE2 eventually, but not because XE3 represents some big leap in DR performance. What do you have on this?

I get that EXRIII is a nice processing performance boost for the entire camera. I admit I'm kind of down on X-Trans since they left it out of the GFX....

 

[BillBingham2]

if you can live with a 40 fov the fuji 27 mates to the xe3 very nicely. a nice small package.

Interesting point.

When I got my S2 I expected to get another lens right away, I never spoke highly of the 50mm focal length. I saw in 85mm and what I've found to be 28mm-ish. Some times longer, more times wider, but never 50. Well the S2/50 changed that but quick, the combo just felt right.

Next time I'm in Chicago or Minneapolis I need to get my butt to a camera store.

Thanks for the interesting perspective.

B2 (;->

 

[ptpdprinter]

if you can live with a 40 fov the fuji 27 mates to the xe3 very nicely. a nice small package.

Unfortunately, you give up on lens aperture control, which I think is one of the advantages of Fuji lenses. I think the 23mm is the better choice.

 

[back alley]

Unfortunately, you give up on lens aperture control, which I think is one of the advantages of Fuji lenses. I think the 23mm is the better choice.

the aperture control does not bother me at all..the 27 is a lens that will fool you though as it has a lesser reputation then it deserves.
maybe check out the 27 groups on flickr.

and the 23 (either one) is no slouch either...

 

[ptpdprinter]

maybe check out the 27 groups on flickr.

I had the 27 and sold it. Like most lenses being sold today, image quality was not an issue. It was the haptics. And flickr will tell you next to nothing about image quality.

 

[BillBingham2]

With the two well placed dials the lack of aperture ring on the 27 is something I can live with (I think).

The 23 looks very tempting too, but the size of the 27 look almost X70-ish. I do prefer to fill the frame with the subject. Maybe the 14 or the 16 and the 27......

B2 (;->

 

[Archlich]

Optically the 27 is top class. My only gripe is it's noticeably slower than the 23/2, even on the X-E3. Sold mine to get a 35/2 WR...

It's all small and nice but I gave up on pocketablity when I'm using the X-E3. YMMV.

 

[back alley]

I had the 27 and sold it. Like most lenses being sold today, image quality was not an issue. It was the haptics. And flickr will tell you next to nothing about image quality.

you're kind of a negative nellie i think...

 

[Darthfeeble]

Next on the list

Next on the list

if you can live with a 40 fov the fuji 27 mates to the xe3 very nicely. a nice small package.

Next month's budget.

 

[willie_901]

Willy - is the data on photonstophotos.net not uh.. representative or something? Because directly comparing XTrans II to Trans III is not impressive at all. (Basically identical.) I plan to upgrade from XE2 eventually, but not because XE3 represents some big leap in DR performance. What do you have on this?

I get that EXRIII is a nice processing performance boost for the entire camera. I admit I'm kind of down on X-Trans since they left it out of the GFX....

They are not identical.

Shadow Region Improvement vs ISO


These data compare ISO-invariance. Note the difference at ISO 800. This is relevant to the compromise between maximum possible analog dynamic range and shadow region S/N.

Input-Referred Read Noise vs ISO

Input-referred read noise is normalized with respect to amplification gain. So it is a measure of the sensor photodiode noise levels independent of other electronic noise sources.

Read Noise vs ISO

This represents the un-normalized (total) electronic noise levels in the absence of signal (light).


Taken together, the advantage of Aptina's dual-gain sensor technology is clear.

Whether or not these improvements justify the cost of a body upgrade is a completely different matter.

 

[shawn]

the aperture control does not bother me at all..the 27 is a lens that will fool you though as it has a lesser reputation then it deserves.
maybe check out the 27 groups on flickr.

and the 23 (either one) is no slouch either...

I avoided the 27 for a long time (due to lack of aperture control) and that was a mistake. Beautiful rendering from that lens and the tiny size makes the XE2 fit into a belt pouch.

Shawn

 

[back alley]

the 27 plays tricks with the mind...even knowing how good it is, when i have it on my camera, i find myself thinking that i should have a 'better' lens on the camera...i mean, i know that the new f2 lineup is pretty dam good and plenty small and still i'm drawn to the 27...
gear schizophrenia!

 

[Darthfeeble]

the 27 plays tricks with the mind...even knowing how good it is, when i have it on my camera, i find myself thinking that i should have a 'better' lens on the camera...i mean, i know that the new f2 lineup is pretty dam good and plenty small and still i'm drawn to the 27...
gear schizophrenia!

Size Matters

 

[back alley]

Size Matters

lol


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[Range-rover]

I went to the Photo show in New York yesterday and saw the XE3, really nice enjoy
using it.

 

[Darthfeeble]

I've been playing around with my M mount lenses on the E3. I think there is less of the Xtrans "smoosh" with them. I need to do a scientific comparison to be sure but my initial impression is so. I've used a CV 15, 21, 28 and 75. I also used my Canon 50/1.4 and 35/2. The camera seems to like the CV lenses better but that too is just an impression.

 

[back alley]

I think the xe3 will lead to increased sales of the fuji 27 lens.
I just got a used 60 and am amazed at how comfy it mates with the xe3.

 

[Darthfeeble]

I got the 27 and now I'm thinking 10-24. I have the 18-55 which is pretty good on the E3 but my wife's 18-135 is too nose heavy. I hope that isn't the case with the 10-24. Along with an updated 18, what this camera cries for is a 10/2 pancake lens.

 

[willie_901]

I got the 27 and now I'm thinking 10-24. I have the 18-55 which is pretty good on the E3 but my wife's 18-135 is too nose heavy. I hope that isn't the case with the 10-24. Along with an updated 18, what this camera cries for is a 10/2 pancake lens.

The 10-24/4 is an excellent lens. Its optics are great unless you use it a 24mm –*where the sharpness falls off a bit. At 10 mm it is very nice. The in-lens image stabilization works well too. This lens' ghosting and flare levels are very low. I have owned four different F-mount ultra-wide zoom lenses. Several of them cost more, but none of them beat the Fujinon.

However, the 10-24/4 is heavy and large. The lens hood is lightweight but huge. You should compare the size/weight specs with the 18-135.

An alternative would be the 14/2.8 prime which is also excellent.

There are third-party X-mount prime options as well. I don't think these support AF and I know they don't offer in-lens image stabilization

 

[MaxElmar]

They are not identical.

...
Input-referred read noise is normalized with respect to amplification gain. So it is a measure of the sensor photodiode noise levels independent of other electronic noise sources.

...
Taken together, the advantage of Aptina's dual-gain sensor technology is clear.

Whether or not these improvements justify the cost of a body upgrade is a completely different matter.

Thanks, Willie! That is very, very helpful. I always appreciate it when someone helps me learn something. (In this case, how to dig in to the data on one of my favorite websites. I have some reading to do.)