'You are not allowed to photograph this building'

JayGannon said:
Well no it is very important freedom of citizens and by extention freedom of the press is one of the most important things a democratic country can and should possess and its exactly that that is the issue.
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I thought the issue was about a hobbyist that got stopped by a guard.
 
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Ade-oh said:
There seems to be an odd misperception that the UK doesn't have a constitution guaranteeing individual rights. Just to clear this up, the UK does have a constitution and it does guarantee most of the same right that US citizens enjoy, but it isn't embodied in a single document and it can be modified by parliament. When discussing a 'UK Bill of Rights' recently, David Cameron was actually contrasting this with our most recent legislation on the subject, the Human Rights Act of 2000 (I think it was), which simply put the European Convention on Human Rights into UK statute law and which has arguably restricted the ability of the UK parliament to make law.

All good Americans should remember that one of the reasons for the American revolution was that the British government didn't allow the protections of the 1689 Bill of Rights to be extended to the colonies!
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You know more about American history than I do :)

Thanks for the illuminating remarks.
 
peterm1 said:
God we love this topic, don't we. Every time someone posts another I was stopped from taking a picture in the Mall story we have conniptions and kibbitz about it for weeks. Never mind I suppose that's the nature of us photographers. But overall well done for standing up to these guys.
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Yeah in fact when I took this one back in June I was almost hoping to get accosted by some goons so I'd have a good story to tell here - no such luck! Of course being the the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night in West Texas probably had something to do with that.
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damien.murphy said:
For arguments sake, I would have thought the law on this was clear - people have a right to photograph in public places.

The argument that someone was 'only doing their job' and 'just following orders' doesn't wash with me either. History is quite clear what both of these traits have presided over, although in this case, it's a lot more insidious. I believe it's called the thin end of the wedge.
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I would love to think that the law is clear, but I don't think it is, otherwise people would know that.

The security guard did not stamp all over Nick's face because that is known to be against the law, but clearly he did not know that Nick was within the law taking those photos.
 
atlcruiser said:
In a large, local mall parking lot there was a double port-a-potty set up. It looked like there was to be some sort of fair or event in that parking lot ...............................Sure it was a waste of time and I did bait the guy with the 645 and tripod but I will not be told what I can or cannot do by any private individual.
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I read (somewhere on RFF, IIRC) that (at least in the UK) malls and presumably their car parks, are generally not public places, but have owners and operators who have the right to deny entry to whomever they choose.


Dave..
 
As an adjunct to this thread, here's what could prove to be an 'interesting' job:

Travel Guide London

Description: I am looking for a photographer to shoot 170 aprox photos of London, mainly buildings, hotels, etc. for an audio guide. We will give a detailed itinerary and spots to photograph so will be a fast job, probably no more than 3-4 days.

The full advert (and contact details) can be found here:

http://www.photographers.co.uk/html/photography-jobs.cfm?VacantWanted=V

John
 
John Lawrence said:
Travel Guide London

Description: I am looking for a photographer to shoot 170 aprox photos of London, mainly buildings, hotels, etc. for an audio guide. We will give a detailed itinerary and spots to photograph so will be a fast job, probably no more than 3-4 days.

The full advert (and contact details) can be found here:

http://www.photographers.co.uk/html/photography-jobs.cfm?VacantWanted=V

John
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Contact person? "Antonio Rodriguez"

Yeah, right. Isn't that a known alias of Osama Bin Laden?? :p
 
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fidget said:
I read (somewhere on RFF, IIRC) that (at least in the UK) malls and presumably their car parks, are generally not public places, but have owners and operators who have the right to deny entry to whomever they choose.


Dave..
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They do...had the guy yelling a tme been a security guard, cop or even a mall employee I would have stopped; not a big deal to me. I beleive this guy was with the company that dropped the freight in the parking lot and was told to not let anyone near it.

For that matter if he had even identified himself with the freight and asked me to leave I would have left.
 
fidget said:
I read (somewhere on RFF, IIRC) that (at least in the UK) malls and presumably their car parks, are generally not public places, but have owners and operators who have the right to deny entry to whomever they choose.


Dave..
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Without pretending to be a legal expert, in the UK I think the distinction is between publicly-owned places (e.g. streets, parks) and publicly-available places (e.g. shopping "malls").

You can generally photograph in publicly-owned places by default, though sensitive places like military installations etc may explicitly forbid it or it may just not be prudent. Places that are open to the public but not publicly-owned property are at liberty to make their own rules, although they can't stop you photographing what can be seen from publicly-owned land.

As ever, there are exceptions and grey areas but common sense ought to be a good guide! If it's reasonable to think it's a potential terrorist target, it probably makes sense not to invite trouble.
 
During my weekend trip to San Francisco, I was trying to take a picture in the Bart station when a worker there shouted at me over the intercom: "NO PICTURES!"

I waved at her and told her that I took it, anyway. Of course, she did nothing. :)
 
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