I don't see them doing a larger sensor. Don't think the current lenses support an image circle large enough for that. If I were Fuji, I'd rather be the first tier of APS, which is a far larger market than full frame.
GaryLH
Veteran
I am not sure about the image circle size as well but let's suppose worst case it cannot hande full frame or that heavy vignetting occurs. Then it would be no different then nikor dx vs fx lenses. And a new ff body would automatically reset fov for APS c when it detects the older lens type.
Gary
kutitta
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I've seen comments on g+ that they are not full-frame lenses. Given that Sony will soon release its full frame NEX camera for sure, I just can't justify buying these Zeiss lenses which would become worthless after upgrading to a full-frame NEX body. So I think these lenses are not that attractive at least for those like myself who are awaiting the full-frame NEX...
The lenses would not become worthless, just because Sony introduces a new camera.
kutitta
Well-known
Yes, you are right, they would still be sold second-hand easily after upgrading to the full-frame NEX. But the thing is the NEX users waiting for the full-frame body wouldn't tend to buy these lenses given the fact that they will not be compatible with the new body which would be released within a year or so...
Any full frame NEX will be pricey. There will be far more buyers and users of APS-C NEX bodies than current NEX owners waiting to upgrade. In any case, lenses tend to hold value. If one pays retail, sure, there will be depreciation, but this is offset by the usage one gets during the time the lenses are owned...
GaryLH
Veteran
The Nex ff body is rumored to be pretty expensive between 3-4k..
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-nex-9-will-be-more-expensive-than-the-rx1-what-is-your-opinion/
I am not interested in Nex ff, keeping the nex5n as a universal digital back w/ the hillbilly video button fix.
Whether the price is true or not, u got to believe it is going to be more expensive then the current Nex 7...
Gary
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-nex-9-will-be-more-expensive-than-the-rx1-what-is-your-opinion/
I am not interested in Nex ff, keeping the nex5n as a universal digital back w/ the hillbilly video button fix.
Whether the price is true or not, u got to believe it is going to be more expensive then the current Nex 7...
Gary
Heru Anggono
Member
My guess is CV produces the lens element and lens barrell. AF mechanism and final assembly done by Sony.
kutitta
Well-known
Well, if we are talking about a full-frame NEX body that would allow users to shoot with Leica LTM, M and R lenses in addition to almost any high quality manual lens produced in the last century, the price tag of around $3000 sounds quite attractive to me. It's still less than half of a digital Leica body, right. I believe IQ would be quite comparable in these two systems and the NEX might even render better IQ in low light conditions. I personally love rangefinder focusing but when it comes to digital, I can easily and happily live with the focus peaking feature on NEX cameras
Veering off topic here, but the market for $3000 bodies is simply tiny compared to APS-C bodies. And has been seen, unless micro lenses are part of the equation there won't be full compatibility with adapted RF lenses. I'm sure if Sony comes out with such a camera they would prefer to sell their own lenses for it in any case...the significant engineering investment most likely requires it.
den_sh
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den_sh
Established
Full rangefinder lens compatibility on a new FF EVIL camera (e.g. from Sony, Fuji etc) is just wishful thinking. Manufactures won't spent enormous amount of research to design RF-friendly microlens array because it will directly decrease their profits from native lens for that system. The only company that can possibly fit your description (in terms of compatibility) is Leica and they already have the camera you want on the market.
Using SLR lens is not a great option either because you loose all the benefit of short flange distance that allows to design better and smaller wide-angle lenses and you completely loose any portability advantages. It's also beyond my understanding why won't you get a DSLR (ovf) or SLT (evf) camera now as you'll still want a bigger body to have proper weight balance with bigger and heavier lenses.
I agree... and at this point, the big advantage of FF would be to use "legacy" lenses... and that niche doesn't benefit Fuji too much.
Exdsc
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NazgulKing
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I don't think it's right to say that companies calculate on the basis of profit margins. It's more likely to be calculated on the basis of cost of man hours and a fraction of the R&D costs. Then the remainder would be whatever profit they hoped to earn which may be 10% of the lens cost.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
But how many makers are still in the "give away bodies to sell more lenses" camp?
Kwesi
Well-known
I don't think there are any left. If this was the case Fuji, for one wouldn't be pushing its zooms. Which are approximately half the price of the bodies they fit on. Most new buyers are reaching for the zooms first and then maybe try a prime lens in the future. Which makes me wonder who the target audience is for theses new offerings from Zeiss.
New buyers aren't the only buyers though... the other buyers are people like those on this site.
Kwesi
Well-known
I agree, I think what I was trying to say is that the person who would be attracted to the fuji brand because of these new Zeiss lenses may prefer to wait and see if they would work on a full frame body.
bwcolor
Veteran
I thought that it was stated that the new lenses will not work on a FF body. At least, this is what has been reported on the NEX forums... ie DPreview.