semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
As mdarnton suggests there's a surplus of voices here expressing the opinion that juveniles should depopulate the turf….
uhoh7
Veteran
Haven't even seen or held the camera, but you can't stand it because it's not like the Nex-7, with it's nasty sensor.
I'm so glad I never wasted my money on one of those
I do wish the A7r was smaller like the 5n, which has been a great camera for me and alot of M and LTM glass.
Nice job missing the point of the A7r entirely. First non-Leica FF ready for RF glass (or so we have reason to hope).
eleskin
Well-known
No History for Sony? Think Minolta!
No History for Sony? Think Minolta!
Sony DOES have history in cameras and lenses. They bought out Minolta and absorbed Minolta's knowledge. Mindmelding with "The Mind of Minolta" to quote the old X-700 commercial!
No History for Sony? Think Minolta!
Sony DOES have history in cameras and lenses. They bought out Minolta and absorbed Minolta's knowledge. Mindmelding with "The Mind of Minolta" to quote the old X-700 commercial!
sooner
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Frankly I don't understand where this antipathy comes from. I love my Nex 6 with MF Hexanon lenses, and would love one of these newer cameras with a FF sensor. We are very fortunate to have all these companies producing better cameras that appeal to our "retro" style and legacy glass. Didn't most film slrs have viewfinders in the middle of the body?! Sony is trying to appeal to us, but I guess some of us are a finnicky lot not so easily seduced.
YYV_146
Well-known
Haven't even seen or held the camera, but you can't stand it because it's not like the Nex-7, with it's nasty sensor.
I'm so glad I never wasted my money on one of those
I do wish the A7r was smaller like the 5n, which has been a great camera for me and alot of M and LTM glass.
Nice job missing the point of the A7r entirely. First non-Leica FF ready for RF glass (or so we have reason to hope).
The NEX-7 has IMO the best APS-C sensor on the market at release. Even now it remains one of the most competitive APS-C offerings. I shoot weddings and all kinds of events with a NEX-7/NEX-6 pair, with both m lenses and Alpha mount glass with the LA-EA2 adapter.
Shot with the NEX-7 and a 90mm APO-summicron. Great tonality and amazing raw dynamic range for an crop body.
uhoh7
Veteran
Sorry just trying to get in the spirit of a nice hate thread
I'm sure you do great with the n7. However, widely accepted that 5n is best with WA RF glass. n7 smears and shifts many lenses the 5n does not. However, I have to admit the GXR is better yet with RF wides, just not so versatile as 5n.
I had the n7 pre-ordered twice, but thankfully the floods delayed release long enough to see the sensor issues. Since 5n was smaller and cheaper too, with great results on lenses I could not use on the original n5, it was a no brainer for me.
28 cron on 5n:
more to the point, the zm 18
My buddies at FM, who loved it on the 5, found this lens unusable on n7
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Since it comes in at a price point comparable to the Fuji X-Pro1 I bought a couple of years ago, of course I'm interested.
But I'll only be really interested if there were a wide between 18 and 24 that could be mounted--any mount, native or adapted--that would preserve a very thin form factor and deliver in color (i.e. no corner smearing, no extreme vignetting, no distortion, etc...)
For longer focal lengths (28/35/50), I would much prefer to have an OVF with outside-the-frame-view, preferably sporting telemetric focus as well.
The camera that would *really* move me would be the one that is compact, full frame, hard-dialed, OVF'd and complemented by a new advanced manual focus system that uses digital technology to surpass the ease and pleasure of the mechanical telemetric mechanism.
But I'll only be really interested if there were a wide between 18 and 24 that could be mounted--any mount, native or adapted--that would preserve a very thin form factor and deliver in color (i.e. no corner smearing, no extreme vignetting, no distortion, etc...)
For longer focal lengths (28/35/50), I would much prefer to have an OVF with outside-the-frame-view, preferably sporting telemetric focus as well.
The camera that would *really* move me would be the one that is compact, full frame, hard-dialed, OVF'd and complemented by a new advanced manual focus system that uses digital technology to surpass the ease and pleasure of the mechanical telemetric mechanism.
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lam
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Wow such a definitive answer for a camera that hasn't even reached the masses.
For equality sake, I tried to make a "Not interested in Fuji ..." but ran into a character count limit in the title.
For equality sake, I tried to make a "Not interested in Fuji ..." but ran into a character count limit in the title.
YYV_146
Well-known
Sorry just trying to get in the spirit of a nice hate thread
I'm sure you do great with the n7. However, widely accepted that 5n is best with WA RF glass. n7 smears and shifts many lenses the 5n does not. However, I have to admit the GXR is better yet with RF wides, just not so versatile as 5n.
I had the n7 pre-ordered twice, but thankfully the floods delayed release long enough to see the sensor issues. Since 5n was smaller and cheaper too, with great results on lenses I could not use on the original n5, it was a no brainer for me.
My 18mm Distagon and 12mm Heliar both have color shifts. I correct them in post, then print up to 16*24 without issues. IMO more of the lenses I have used in the past have corner issues on the X-pro1 than on the NEX-7. Of course the NEX-6 does better in this regard, but I would much prefer the extra pixels over less red tint for printing.
FYI two of my photos with the 18mm Distagon, and another one with the 12mm Heliar. With proper proofing and color management, the extra time it takes to remove the red tint is negligible.
Adanac
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Of course I'm interested - the A7r is a D800E in a form factor 1/4 the volume, maybe less. Either version has a great sensor; hopefully one of them will support adapted M glass well. I've no doubt that both of them will well handle most if not all adapted SLR lenses. That's something the D800 most certainly can not do.
What's more I not only like but vastly prefer the EVF hump which is IMO the best possible place for a viewfinder (other than the right hand side which will never happen) for this left-eyed shooter. A centre-mounted finder with some rear clearance helps keep my oily nose away from the rear LCD. Fujifilm could take a lesson here for its EVF-only models instead of doggedly adhering to the faux rangefinder look for appearances sake alone over function.
What's more I not only like but vastly prefer the EVF hump which is IMO the best possible place for a viewfinder (other than the right hand side which will never happen) for this left-eyed shooter. A centre-mounted finder with some rear clearance helps keep my oily nose away from the rear LCD. Fujifilm could take a lesson here for its EVF-only models instead of doggedly adhering to the faux rangefinder look for appearances sake alone over function.
uhoh7
Veteran
and 5n is again better than the 6.
You are proving my point up there with the zm18
as to megapixels, there are a few advantages, and disadvantages, both in technical aspects and practical use.
Nex7 images do not stand out from the 6 or 5n online, but obviously that's only one bar.
On the other hand, M9 images look fantastic online, and really do stand out.
are you looking at the A7r?
cosmonaut
Well-known
Sony is trying new things while other companies have to keep their old school photographer s happy to the point their technology is lagging behind. Like Nikon and Canon are not innovative anymore. Other than better image quality they are not coming up with new ideas. Eventually this may hurt them. The old saying if you build a better mouse trap. I love Sony my a99 is a beautiful camera to use.
YYV_146
Well-known
I tend to shoot without reserve and wear down bodies very quickly, so even if it is much cheaper than the A99, I will still have to think about the benefits it brings versus the depreciation. A typical wedding would see about 3,000 actuations between two bodies
Most of my equipment value is also in M glass, which may or may not work on the A7r. I may buy one even for the 90AA alone, though...I would imagine the M9 images shine because the people who make them are great photographers, and that its files, under the right conditions, have superior natural tonality. Most people are sloppy in post processing or do not work on their files at all, which tends to lend an edge to CCD bodies.
My experience with the M9 is pretty much similar to the sensor test on DXO - great colors and details at base iso, but dynamic range is highly limited. High ISO performance is downright horrible, mandating very fast lenses if you have to work under low light.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
No antipathy here. I have owned and enjoyed several Sony cams.
I have both APS-C and FF digital bodies for my RF lenses already, and my main system cameras have been FourThirds format since 2007. Have all that gear already and it does what I want.
The A7r would be interesting, it simply has low priority at the moment.
G
Everyone has zero interest in some camera or another.
I have zero interest in the M240 - until the used price goes down to about $2,000 LOL.
Stephen
henri klein
Established
with more than 30 years of photographic experience I have no interest in digital cameras
raid
Dad Photographer
I am happy with owning an M8 and an M9. This is all I need for the near future. I hope that the introduction of these two SONY cameras will somehow make it less painful for many people to enjoy FF digital cameras.
If I somehow lost both digital M cameras, I may consider the A7 or A7R, ............. maybe.
If I somehow lost both digital M cameras, I may consider the A7 or A7R, ............. maybe.
Mackinaw
Think Different
The cameras have my interest, but am I going to pull the trigger and buy one now? Nope, maybe in a year or two, but not now. I'm total happy with what I'm currently using (a nice combo of digital and film).
Jim B.
Jim B.
CCCPcamera
Established
Disagree. It's a super nice camera. Full frame option for use with older lenses that doesn't cost the same as a car like the M. Sorry. Car + Sony vs. Leica M. Not a hard choice.
CCCPcamera
Established
Personally I'm happy with my M2. But if I were to spring for a digital camera, I'd probably buy the Sony and not an M. Unless the used prices go WAY down.