Scammed ?

[bob338]

i don't know the guy in question, but you never know what's going in his life. people in San Francisco end up homeless or terminally couch surfing all the time.
i agree that you should file a dispute with paypal, and even posting his name here, but i would hesitate calling him a scammer until it's resolved.

on another note, i have a friend who died very suddenly a couple of months ago. he was a VERY active ebay buyer and his wife was receiving packages for weeks after his death. if he were a seller with incomplete transactions, i'm sure plenty of people would be calling foul on him too.

bob

 

[JohnTF]

Yes - I've always been pretty fit, and it helped!, my wife's a nurse and realized that speed was important, helped the paramedics get the 'clot busters' into me!.....sometimes I think some 'clot busters' are needed around here!
Dave

Good to hear, sounds as if you have the proper care, hopefully you will be just dealing with the pills now. I drove myself to the hospital, and it took them another 48 hrs. to figure things out and schedule the angioplasty.

Was on my way to the camera shop. -- GAS can be dangerous.

Regards, John

ps-- I do hear it is not recommended to drive yourself, but who knows what is going through one's mind at that point.

I did drink the Dom I was saving when I got home. ;-)

 

[Krosya]

Right on, Blake! I think for a $1000 I'd fly to SF and see if that seller is dead, "depressed", or whatever. And use those Stewie methods on him - at least than he'd have something to be "depressed" about.

 

[climbing_vine]

Right on, Blake! I think for a $1000 I'd fly to SF and see if that seller is dead, "depressed", or whatever. And use those Stewie methods on him - at least than he'd have something to be "depressed" about.

Ah, now we've gone from calling someone a "thief" without evidence to advocating mafioso beatings.

Putrid, but not unexpected.

 

[nobbylon]

those videos are hilarious!

 

[Krosya]

And what would you do, Brian, if he nailed you for $1000+? Turn the other cheek? I firmly believe that some people need to have some "tough love" or they never learn. But thats me.....

 

[climbing_vine]

And what would you do, Brian, if he nailed you for $1000+? Turn the other cheek? I firmly believe that some people need to have some "tough love" or they never learn. But thats me.....

I don't disagree, but the whole point is NOBODY KNOWS whether he needs some "tough love" or not. Everyone is lunging in from a position of ignorance.

The way I see it, frankly? The buyer is too cheap and lazy to buy a bonafide item from a physical store, so he jumped at a low price from someone he didn't know on the internet who is apparently selling out of desperation. He didn't look much, if at all, at the person's background, and used a conduit with very little accountability.

So he took a huge gamble because he thought he could take advantage of someone else's misfortune, and now everyone else is running to call the seller a thief because he's apparently slow (and apparently this is an easy-to-discover bit of information about the guy, and so the buyer should've known it ahead of time).

I've got no sympathy and I think the ignorant mob is really sad.

 

[climbing_vine]

well, my own belief is we should let the true Sicilian mafia run our country -- their methods work - Omerta is a good thing, congressmen wouldn't be so quick to leak information from "anonymous sources" with Omerta - mafia justice would solve a lot of the problems with "urban blight" and "gang related" crimes.

Nancy Pelosi would wake up with a freshly cut bloody horse's head in her bed,

not a bad way to run things if you ask me.

Yeah, and the first time you look at someone wrong or speak your mind, they invent a reason to kill you.

There's no freedom when there's no rule of law. You're talking about violent mob fascism. And you have the gall to call yourself a patriot?

 

[climbing_vine]

Hell, I've committed a beat down for considerably less -- but my story about how I collected payment for a web design deal is another long story

I had to tell one client who wouldn't pay that he sure would have a hard time playing his guitar with only 9 fingers. I never had to use the butcher's cleaver on him though

If you're dumb enough to do work without an enforceable contract, that's your own problem--you won't be a big tough guy anymore when you say that to someone and they shoot you in the face. Happens every day. Living by the terroristic threat is about as stupid as you can get, because you're bound to die by it.

If you like that mode of operation do us all a favor and move to Somalia.

 

[david.elliott]

Things seem to be getting a little dramatic here. :|

Maybe everybody should take a break from the thread and go do something relaxing for a bit.

 

[climbing_vine]

david.elliot: agreed.
At this point, the mob speaks for itself. Sayonara!

 

[climbing_vine]

There was a contract, I was an employee of the company -- I've also had to "reason with" a haitian in Miami to get money he owed me after I moved down there to run his business and had been lied to about the business --- you do what you have to do.

there's two kinds of people in this world.... those who get shot, and those who do the shooting

sometimes you have to rattle a cage or two

Is that you, Bruce Willis?

 

[bean_counter]

good grief, I have been following this at work; if anybody in HR reads the nannyware screen shots, RFF will get blocked, or worse...

 

[bob338]

well, my own belief is we should let the true Sicilian mafia run our country -- their methods work - Omerta is a good thing, congressmen wouldn't be so quick to leak information from "anonymous sources" with Omerta - mafia justice would solve a lot of the problems with "urban blight" and "gang related" crimes.

Nancy Pelosi would wake up with a freshly cut bloody horse's head in her bed,

not a bad way to run things if you ask me.

wow. this conversation went from dumb to outright illegal. are you seriously threatening a politician? wake up and be quiet.

bob

 

[bob338]

there's two kinds of people in this world.... those who get shot, and those who do the shooting


sometimes you have to rattle a cage or two

in my experience, those who do the real cage rattling never crow about it.

this thread should be locked or deleted.

bob

 

[climbing_vine]

in my experience, those who do the real cage rattling never crow about it.

Internet Tough Guy disease.

 

[Krosya]

I don't disagree, but the whole point is NOBODY KNOWS whether he needs some "tough love" or not. Everyone is lunging in from a position of ignorance.

The way I see it, frankly? The buyer is too cheap and lazy to buy a bonafide item from a physical store, so he jumped at a low price from someone he didn't know on the internet who is apparently selling out of desperation. He didn't look much, if at all, at the person's background, and used a conduit with very little accountability.


So he took a huge gamble because he thought he could take advantage of someone else's misfortune, and now everyone else is running to call the seller a thief because he's apparently slow (and apparently this is an easy-to-discover bit of information about the guy, and so the buyer should've known it ahead of time).

I've got no sympathy and I think the ignorant mob is really sad.

Well, you see it wrong. Why? Here is the evidence: Because the seller (as it was pointed out earlier), has 2 M8 Leicas, some pretty expensive glass to go with that. He also knows how to use Ebay. He sold and bought items here before. So, whatever misfortune/desperation you imagine, is very unlikely. Sellers background - well he was a very active member here, so no "flags" would come up, at least not right away. As far as buyer being too cheap - I dont see how - same or similar cameras sell for about the same on ebay. And even if it was a good deal - whats wrong with that? And $1000 is hardly "cheap". Thats why we have Classifieds section here.
And while seller could be slow, yet he could answer buyer's emails and this would be settled much nicer. But seller chose not to. And now he looks like a thief. Even if he(seller)comes though at the end - I'd never deal with him. In part it's all about mutual respect - buyer/seller, and I see no such thing here.

 

[climbing_vine]

Even if he(seller)comes though at the end - I'd never deal with him.

I probably wouldn't either. But that doesn't make him a thief.

I disagree with a lot of your characterization, but that's not so much the point so I'm going to drop it. I think we're not too far apart on the principle but see the particulars differently here...

 

[sanmich]

Errrrr.....

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Damn, were are they all gone?

 

[bob338]

Right on, Blake! I think for a $1000 I'd fly to SF and see if that seller is dead, "depressed", or whatever. And use those Stewie methods on him - at least than he'd have something to be "depressed" about.

i think this is the dumbest thing written in this thread yet. would you seriously fly somewhere to find out if you can beat someone up? if you had any common sense, you'd let paypal handle it and save yourself the possibility of being hurt.
if things went according to plan, you could end up killing him and go to prison for the rest of your life. conspiracy, murder, jail...all for $1000. dumb.

bob