What Frank-S said back on page 3 ...
... one observation, the standard that are being proposed seem to go beyond the conventions of the society they are coming from, judging by my experiences of the US, which I find odd
Your experiences of the US are apparently not that broad.
Sparrow
Veteran
Your experiences of the US are apparently not that broad.
... have you never stayed in a hotel with cable TV?
alistair.o
Well-known
A very interesting debate. I must be right up front and say that I consider myself to be a Christian and so with that statement in mind here goes.
Nudity in and of itself is beautiful. The body when represented well, and that to me would be with shades and shadows etc, is stunning. I have no problem with nudity in art per se.
Let us say there is an art gallery for artists. It would be in my opinion a retrograde step to then have an annexe for nudity within that gallery. Art is art - fought for tooth and nail over the centuries.
But this is an open, tolerant forum and so mechanisms are already in place for the consideration of peoples feelings (don't miss that point).
Last but not least I consider it a privilege to consider the feelings of others in all things. Paul has expressed, with both dignity and courage, what his heart feels. We should applaud his honesty. Note well, he did not pass judgement on anyone.
Nudity in and of itself is beautiful. The body when represented well, and that to me would be with shades and shadows etc, is stunning. I have no problem with nudity in art per se.
Let us say there is an art gallery for artists. It would be in my opinion a retrograde step to then have an annexe for nudity within that gallery. Art is art - fought for tooth and nail over the centuries.
But this is an open, tolerant forum and so mechanisms are already in place for the consideration of peoples feelings (don't miss that point).
Last but not least I consider it a privilege to consider the feelings of others in all things. Paul has expressed, with both dignity and courage, what his heart feels. We should applaud his honesty. Note well, he did not pass judgement on anyone.
... have you never stayed in a hotel with cable TV?
My point exactly. If that was all we are then our Republican party would already have a candidate for President.
Besides, I watch Top Gear on cable TV.
A very interesting debate. I must be right up front and say that I consider myself to be a Christian and so with that statement in mind here goes.
Nudity in and of itself is beautiful. The body when represented well, and that to me would be with shades and shadows etc, is stunning. I have no problem with nudity in art per se.
Let us say there is an art gallery for artists. It would be in my opinion a retrograde step to then have an annexe for nudity within that gallery. Art is art - fought for tooth and nail over the centuries.
But this is an open, tolerant forum and so mechanisms are already in place for the consideration of peoples feelings (don't miss that point).
Last but not least I consider it a privilege to consider the feelings of others in all things. Paul has expressed, with both dignity and courage, what his heart feels. We should applaud his honesty. Note well, he did not pass judgement on anyone.
Well said, thank you.
Lss
Well-known
I prefer seeing good shots, regardless of content, over bad shots, regardless of content. That's as far as I get with taste.consider it not as an issue of censoring, but of taste. let us choose, please, whether we want to see these shots.
raid
Dad Photographer
Thanks for the tip, Rover. I had completely forgotten that.
That said, I am less concerned with morality than Paul is, BUT...
realize that I hesitate to open the gallery while I'm at school for fear
of what might pop up .. or out... in front of students.
Rick
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I am in the same boat as Rick. No girlie photos are allowed to be viewed while at the university. Students could feel as if they are being harassed. The "pop out" factor plays a role.
dave lackey
Veteran
I am in the same boat as Rick. No girlie photos are allowed to be viewed while at the university. Students could feel as if they are being harassed. The "pop out" factor plays a role.
Be careful, Raid...I have the same NSFW problem at my home office yet there are RFF members here who like to crucify people because of their beliefs and/or situations.
FrankS
Registered User
Be careful, Raid...I have the same NSFW problem at my home office yet there are RFF members here who like to crucify people because of their beliefs and/or situations.![]()
I believe this is an overstatement on your part, Dave.
dave lackey
Veteran
I believe this is an overstatement on your part, Dave.
Yes, it is... to point out the obvious where a mod had to step in. Thank you.
paulfish4570
Veteran
who has proposed a change in standards? i surely haven't. i just want to NOT look at "mature" stuff.
hey, if some members don't want to post mature stuff without the filter, go ahead.
i'm just asking, and i ain't going anywhere. my basketball remains in play here at the best photography forum i have seen on the 'net.

hey, if some members don't want to post mature stuff without the filter, go ahead.
i'm just asking, and i ain't going anywhere. my basketball remains in play here at the best photography forum i have seen on the 'net.
menthel
Not very good...
I don't think beliefs etc should come into this. In a forum with the possibility to set a 'mature' label on your images and for members to select not to see these, it is common courtesy to others surely to set the mature flag for images containing nudity, violence or any other scenes that may fall under this umbrella.
ruby.monkey
Veteran
I don't think I've seen a single nude on RFF that I wouldn't feel suitable for my kids to see - and they're a six-year-old and a couple of near-two-year-olds. Safeness-for-work is another matter altogether.
paulfish4570
Veteran
as i stated in my opening post, i have set aside my faith.
menthel
Not very good...
Agreed but it would seem to be creeping into other peoples posts! 
Edit: as an amusing aside this thread has just been flagged up as possibly containing 'pornography' by my work computer!
Edit: as an amusing aside this thread has just been flagged up as possibly containing 'pornography' by my work computer!
paulfish4570
Veteran
probably because of the word "nude." but these are the times in which we live ...
dave lackey
Veteran
Which begs the question as to...where are we all going with this?
menthel
Not very good...
Surely that people agree to mark up any photos that could be construed as 'mature' as mature on upload. People who then want to filter these can use the suggested tickbox to avoid these photos. Sounds like a win/win to me.
batterytypehah!
Lord of the Dings
I don't understand where this notion comes from that RFF should be "safe" for work/school environments. Just so I get this straight, you surf the web for private purposes while you're on the job, presumably on your company's/school's equipment and connection, and you worry about a small percentage of content that might embarrass you?
IMO if you are uncomfortable with the content, view it in private. After all, I suppose you wouldn't sit in front of your class reading the SI swimsuit issue or Guns & Ammo magazine, either. That doesn't mean those publications should be banned, just that they're not appropriate in all contexts.
As I've said earlier, the existing mature content filter is flawed because the default setting is "no." Those of you who wish to change their profiles (a decision I fully respect and support) will likely find out it doesn't make much of a difference.
IMO if you are uncomfortable with the content, view it in private. After all, I suppose you wouldn't sit in front of your class reading the SI swimsuit issue or Guns & Ammo magazine, either. That doesn't mean those publications should be banned, just that they're not appropriate in all contexts.
As I've said earlier, the existing mature content filter is flawed because the default setting is "no." Those of you who wish to change their profiles (a decision I fully respect and support) will likely find out it doesn't make much of a difference.
That very well may be the problem I am talking about. You don't have to sit by a child at all times, but as a parent you better know what they are doing if you want to know anything about them, and build a good relationship with them.
Not a discussion we can really have here to any real result.
People who say this clearly don't actually remember being children or teenagers. You thought your parents only knew 25% of how you spent your time. In reality they were smarter than you gave them credit for, and knew more like 50% of your life. But that other 50% was still out of their eyes, and you wanted it that way--as does every growing person. Part of growing up is kids developing their independence, and the idea that only their parents should be responsible for them (when it is a patent impossibility) is a huge part of what sickens America.
(Spoken as a rabid left-winger who *hates* the idea of government-enforced morality, but believes we all as private individuals and a community sure as heck share responsibility for other people.)
On topic: there are very few nudes posted here that rise above soft-core porn, and there's already an internet full of that for those who want it. Crime scenes have been an integral part of photography since the beginning too, but I am pretty sure a close-up of a skull popped like a grape with brains and trailers of torn skin scraped across the pavement would be frowned upon here.
Unless it were taken with an M2.
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