75mm: Yes or No

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I am thinking of modifying my travel kit which is usually a 35/90 replacing the 90 with a 75. I think Leica lenses are way overpriced these days but talk to me about the 75f1.8 from Cosina and the 75f2.5(?) Summarit.

I may just be putting this out there as neither of my two film Leica's (M2 and M5) have a 75 frame line. And I always figured the 75 was too close to either the 50 or 90 both of which I own.

And I just purchased a Leica MP240 primarily for travel which does have 75mm frame lines.

As an aside, I am giving serious consideration to a 25f2.8 Zeiss. I own a 21 and a couple 35's but nothing in between and everything I read says the 25 Zeiss may be the finest 25 made.
 
For what little it's worth, I have a 75 Summilux and I enjoy the focal length. I tried the 90 Elmarit for a while, but felt more constrained by it than I did with the 75.
 
I had the 75mm frame lines removed from my M5, M7 and MA. That's how much I value that focal length.
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It's way too close to 50. 90 is just right.
 
I have no idea what for 75 is. And for travel? I can't even force myself to take 50. 35 or 28. One does it all. Including portraits.

+1 to get rid of this useless 75 frame in VF! And 90 and 135. 🙂
 
I have had the excellent little M-Rokkor 90mm f/4 (same as the Elmar-C 90mm f/4) for a very long time and have always enjoyed its performance, but I often felt it was just a hair longer than I wanted and a 75mm would do better. So I bought the latest Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4 in mid-2016.

I chose the f/2.4 over the f/2.5 because the close focusing distance on the f/2.4 is shorter, mostly. I chose the Summarit over the Summicron which I tested because I didn't feel I used this focal length enough to warrant almost double the price, and the f/2.4 lens felt nicer in my hands due to its smaller size and lighter weight; I had no reservations about its imaging performance although does image differently compared to the Summicron. I bought Leica vs any other brand because my M camera is now the M-D and I want the camera to automatically recognize and embed the right EXIF data and apply the correct lens profile, and the M-D has no manual profile assignment capability; AND because I just prefer the look, feel, and build quality of Leica lenses over any others.

$1900 was a bit to spend compared to the other brand alternatives, but in retrospect it's been a bargain for me. I've worked with the Voigtländer 75/2.5 and 75/1.8 in the past, on loan, and they simply do not perform as well as the Summarit-M 75. The Summarit-M 75mm f/4 performs beautifully, the supplied metal lens hood unscrews and reverses to make it more compact in the bag if you need that, it includes caps for both use with and without the hood too. It's a premium lens, although in Leica lens terms it's their cost-conscious price leader. It works beautifully on the Leica M-P typ 240 as well:


Leica M-P + Summarit-M 75mm f/2.4
ISO 200 @ f/2.8 @ 1/125

I've gotten so used to the 75's FoV that I fit it to my M4-2 (35/50/90/135 framelines) and just go shooting with it, works perfectly. It's just a matter of visualizing the framelines inside the 50mm. I have also used it fitted with M Adapter L to my Leica SL and it performs brilliantly on that camera too, with automatic identification via the lens code just like the M-D and M-P.

On the wide end of the spectrum, I had the Color Skopar 21/4, the Heliar 15/4.5 v1, and the Elmar-M 24/3.8 ASPH. The Color Skopar was one of my favorite lenses on film and on the Ricoh GXR-M, but doesn't work well on the M's FF sensors (color shifting, etc). The Heliar 15 v1 ... same. The Elmar-M 24 works brilliantly, but I felt a bit constrained by the 24mm focal length and traded it for a second-hand Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm f/4 ASPH (the WATE). This is an outstanding performer at all three focal lengths. It's a true zoom so you can use it as such on the SL, on the M you generally want to use it at the discrete focal length settings. Of course, you need a finder for it ... the big Leica multifinder is expensive and bulky, so I use Voigtländer 21mm and 16mm finders for, just estimating the 18mm setting (all the finders are pretty approximate so I don't sweat it). On the SL, of course, you don't need any accessory finder at all and you get absolutely accurate framing and superb imaging performance at all settings. This is the only lens in this focal length class I'll ever need, so that ameliorates it's rather lofty price tag. Unlike many others at the short end of this range, you can fit standard screw-in filters too using the optional Leica filter mount accessory ring (it comes with hood and hood cap, the filter mount replaced the hood and includes a lens cap).

I've heard varied reports about the Zeiss 25/2.8 on the digital Leicas which were mostly good, but the focal length and negative reports turned me off from trying one. I don't really need this focal length anyway, and found the 24 a bit confining.

My most used lenses with the M are the Summicron-M 50mm, Summilux 35mm v2 (a 1972 version that I had coded), the Summarit-M 75mm, and the WATE. Most of my shooting is with the 50mm or the 35mm, by far; the 75 and WATE spend about the same amount of "other time" on the camera, and my 90, 135, and 28 I use only very occasionally. For travel, the WATE with either the 35/75 pairing or 50/75 pairing is just about a perfect complete kit for me, or just one of the two pairings without the WATE alone if I don't feel I'll use the ultrawide FoV.

Hope that helps a bit.

G
 
I would at least try the 75 for a while. 35 to 90 is quite a large gap. And if your VF is .72, the 90 framelines aren't so appealing.

BTW, I noticed a 1.8 75 on FM for a pretty good price.

John
 
I am thinking of modifying my travel kit which is usually a 35/90 replacing the 90 with a 75. I think Leica lenses are way overpriced these days but talk to me about the 75f1.8 from Cosina and the 75f2.5(?) Summarit.

I may just be putting this out there as neither of my two film Leica's (M2 and M5) have a 75 frame line. And I always figured the 75 was too close to either the 50 or 90 both of which I own.

And I just purchased a Leica MP240 primarily for travel which does have 75mm frame lines.

The main weakness of the 75mm focal length has been the viewfinder "framelines" which are not really framelines but just little corners inset into the 50mm framelines. I find it hard to see clearly where the edges of my shot fall, using only those little corners. And at times I have mistakenly used the 50mm frameline instead: big surprise when I get the film back! It's much easier to frame a shot with the 90mm framelines. So I wouldn't let the lack of 75mm framelines in your M2 and M5 deter you, I would just get a 75mm Voigtlander external finder if you want to shoot 75mm.

And to see if you like 75mm, you could just grab a 75/2.5 CV off of eBay or RFF classified and try it out. You can always upgrade if you decide you like the focal length.

I sold my 90AA ASPH to get the 75. I like the small size and there are times when the focal length is just right. I still have my original chrome 90 Elmarit, which while not the latest version, is still killer sharp!
 
Second Godfrey's comment on the 75mm f2.4 Summarit.

I own THREE 75's, the f2.4 Summarit, the Cosina Voigtlander 75mm f1.8 and the 75mm f2 Summicron. If I had to sell two of them, the Summarit is the one I would keep.

By far the easiest to focus and most convenient on a digital body in terms of being able to automatically show the focal length in the EXIF data is the f2.4 Summarit. It's smaller, lighter and sharper than the Voigtlander lens.

A while back I sent my 75mm f2 Summicron (bought used) to DAG as I never have been able to consistently focus the thing accurately at the wider aperture settings. He sent it back as being well within spec and my M262 has had it's rangefinder adjusted but I still at times have issues with it and so bought a new f2.4 Summarit based on so many positive articles and posts by others and have been really impressed with it.
 
I'm probably going to be the odd-one-out here because I think, from what you said in the OP, that the 75 will be perfect for you.

Yes, 75 is quite close to 50 but as you expect to be pairing it with a 35 and not a 50 this is completely immaterial.
The 90, whilst a very good focal length, can be a bit too tight for all-round comfort. The 75 will allow for some breathing space and if cropping is required then that can be accommodated. Similarly a 35 can replace a 50 (that said; a 50 is always my go-to lens) for the same reason. Obviously you can always crop IN; you can never crop OUT.

A 35 / 75 travel pairing IMO is a great team to have.

I don't know why but I've never found the lack of totally accurate focal length frame lines in the viewfinder to pose the slightest hindrance to my photography - especially in the digital age...
Thinking about it I mostly use the frame lines as a simplistic guide to getting my horizons etc. level......
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As far as which manufacturer?
Your bank account will be the boss here. The Summarit must be a favourite but I've always loved the rendering of Voigt. lenses wide open and a 75 f1.8 has been on my own 'To Do' list for a couple of years now...

Good luck with whatever you decide!

Pip.
 
I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as many here, so my opinion is only for a little user experience...
I own the 75mm f2.5 Summarit. It is probably the most affordable modern Leica glass you can get. You can sometimes find it in the mid 700's to 800's.
I don't use mine much because of the constraint of the small viewfinder lines. Its much more comfortable to frame 50mm images and 35mm images.
But one thing i will say about the 75mm Summarit...
It is the best performing lens i own. The images it produces are RAZOR SHARP!!! Great contrast and great color. When shot in digital like the M9 i used to own and now the 240, the images hardly ever need any editing. Everyone has their own style and look they like, but for my taste, the digital images it produces are superb.
Now i need to use it more for film as well lol.
 
Hi, i bought a 75mm f2.5 Voigtlander it´s really great! quite inexpensive and delivers more sharpness than i need.

I´ve found that 75 suits me better than 50mm i use also the superb VC 28mm f1.9.

Rgrds
 
I have had a 75 Summilux for over 20 years and find it pairs well with a 35 Summilux. Add a 21 and a 135 and you have a four lens kit that can handle most situations. The 75 is an acquired taste, but if you can adjust to it, you'll love it.
 
I started off favoring a 50/28 kit for travel, but I'm coming around to the 35/75 kit (or 40/75). I bought the CV 75/2.5 years ago, didn't take to it then, and sold it. But a couple of years ago I decided to give the focal length another try, and bought another copy of the CV 75/2.5. I'm glad I did. I also got a Bessa R2A, which has 75 as well as 35 framelines. The CV 75/2.5 is more than sharp enough and it's actually fairly compact compared to other 75s out there. I think of 75 as a tight 50, good for portraits and landscapes. I agree with other comments that, if you're taking a 75, there's not much point in taking a 50 too, unless the 50 is very fast or has some other special quality.
 
without knowing what kind of photos you're trying to take, you should ask two questions:

1) is the 90mm's angle of view too narrow for the amount of room that's usually available to back up from your subjects?

2) is the 90mm's perspective too compressed for your tastes, with backgrounds that don't have quite enough of the scene in the frame?
 
To start from the end ... yes the ZM 25/2.8 is an excellent performer.

And YES for the 75mm focal length.
You can obviously get through your photographic life without it but in case you can't change your position, getting closer with a 50 or further away with a 90, then a 75 comes in handy as the perfect lens to fill the frame. Cropping a 50 shot might work for certain subjects, if you get too close with a 50 for portraits and the shape of the face and the proportions are looking odd w/o being as obviously distorted as with even shorter focal length, then a 75 would have been the better choice. I have been in a situation where I had my 75 in the bag and it proved to be the perfect lens for the job. It kind of is stuck now on my MM. I have to admit the corner frame indicators are pain but the IQ of my 2/75 asph is stunning. I bought it used shortly after it's release when someone didn't like it. I could sell for the same amount today.

2/75 asph
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2/75 asph
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2.8/25ZM
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I used to carry the 35/75 combo, but due to its size and weight I have migrated to a 40/90 Elmar-C (the Leica CL combo). I also find the 75 to be a tight 50 when using my M4-2, but with the dedicated 75 FL in the Bessa R3a it is much nicer to use; although the R3a EFL doesn't bode well for anything less than F4 with the 75mm.

Forgot to mention that the 75mm took some time for me to get used to. It doesn't reach as far as a 90 and was too close to the 50, so I stopped carrying the 50 for a while. I rarely go into the 135 territory and prefer to go to the wider end (28 to 75 vs. 35 to 90).
 
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