I won't deny that I'd love to have a Leica, but I can't afford one as a student, so for now I can sit here and chuckle at those waxing poetic about "the magic of a Summicron".
You can work and also be a student...
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Depending on the course you choose, you can also be an idiot...
There's a difference between asserting that Leicas (or sociology, or media studies) appeal only to idiots, and asserting that some idiots choose Leicas, sociology or media studies.
Cheers,
R.
There's a difference between asserting that Leicas (or sociology, or media studies) appeal only to idiots, and asserting that some idiots choose Leicas, sociology or media studies.
Cheers,
R.
emraphoto
Veteran
it's not whether or not one has a right to choose idiocy. it's the haphazard way many of us assign the moniker.
You've clearly never seen me being antagonistic.
I have seen you making new threads complaining for english grammar and spelling in a international forum.
You are making assumptions (your original word was 'guess' -- unwarranted, I believe, no matter what your terminology) on the basis of casual observation.
Shoot me for being a non english mother tongue.
Why do you make things up by implying my observations to be casual?
I believe you're wrong. I've had plenty of time to look at the sort of prejudice you express: I've been using Leicas since 1969; M-series since 1973; and I bought my first new M lens in the late 1970s. My Leicas have been a part of my earning a living for 30+ years. Of course I could be wrong too. I just wanted to find out the basis of your views.
Cheers,
R.
The same again. You take me as prejudiced. I am a proud Leica owner and user.
How can you say you believe I am wrong?
I saw what I saw. Were you standing behind me and seeing it 'right'.
I accuse you as an agitator. You are twisting things that people say.
I am new here and I had some great help and sympathy from some members allready, but I will converse with you no more.
FrankS
Registered User
Let's all just leave it at that, shall we?
SimonSawSunlight
Simon Fabel
Let's all just leave it at that, shall we?
awww just when I had my popcorn and soda ready
Gumby
Veteran
Let's all just leave it at that, shall we?
Well, I still have questions. If idiots like Leica, then what camera is the preference of imbeciles or morons?
FrankS
Registered User
Poking gently at a hornet's nest ...

maddoc
... likes film again.
No one looks, cares, notices or is impressed (ever, apart from the moment I bought it when a bloke from Japan walked in the shop, beamed excitedly, pointed and exclaimed "CONTAX" in a loud voice).
... how do know that he was from Japan ?
Mcary
Well-known
Well, I still have questions. If idiots like Leica, then what camera is the preference of imbeciles or morons?
Everyone knows that we imbeciles prefer Canon and that morons prefer Nikon. As far as cretins go well they prefer Pentax and of course everyone knows that spastics prefer Olympus.
PKR
Veteran
Everyone knows that we imbeciles prefer Canon and that morons prefer Nikon. As far as cretins go well they prefer Pentax and of course everyone knows that spastics prefer Olympus.
Minox? I have a Minox GL and feel left out..p.
Mcary
Well-known
Minox? I have a Minox GL and feel left out..p.
I think the correct term for Minox users is lonely, very lonely. After all what is there maybe 2 or 3 of you in the entire world?
narsuitus
Well-known
Holgas are not a system, and Hasselblad and other systems are cheap.
Since both Holga and Hasselblad have a set of accessories that work with their cameras, why is Hasselblad a system and Holga is not?
How do you define a system?
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Oh, never mind: "Holga is a system".
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
narsuitus
Well-known
... Any cheap medium format system is far above Leica in real IQ results...
The point I was originally trying to make is that Holga, a camera that is part of a cheap medium format system, is not far above Leica in real or imaginary image quality.
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Just like a pinhole camera using 120 film... If you want to consider those things just like a Hasselblad because of used film's measurements, and not depending on lenses or real final quality, you're on your own right.
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
bigeye
Well-known
I don't believe in the brand/label part. GAS is a thing unto itself, it's a form of collecting <opera house gasps>.
If you're attempting to capture an image a certain way you have certain gear. The 'look' and process or functionality of the camera - need - outstrips brand labels, unless you enjoy going around like this :bang: all day.
Photo forum may only focus on the narrow equipment side of things simply because everyone knows how to capture extraordinary images and they're just keeping up with changes in gear. :angel:
Roger H.'s favorite author has a great quote that cuts to the heart of it,
"There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept."
- Charlie
If you're attempting to capture an image a certain way you have certain gear. The 'look' and process or functionality of the camera - need - outstrips brand labels, unless you enjoy going around like this :bang: all day.
Photo forum may only focus on the narrow equipment side of things simply because everyone knows how to capture extraordinary images and they're just keeping up with changes in gear. :angel:
Roger H.'s favorite author has a great quote that cuts to the heart of it,
"There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept."
- Charlie
Good points, Charlie...
About the last one, I also thought something was wrong with the votation... I thought people preferring option 2 were not voting... But now I think in a different way: now I think the votes are meaning most people on RFF really know that the rest of the things are a lot more decisive to an image than gear or brand... Leica users included of course... The truth is no member has said "you must use Leica exclusively" nor "of course Leica images are in general better photographs than those made with any other brand", so honestly I think our Leica users are real photographers using and enjoying great cameras... Just that... I think no one here uses Leicas to impress, but for the quality of the equipment and the results...
Cheers,
Juan
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Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
I meant worst Leica users are not RFF Leica users.
Cheers,
Juan
Cheers,
Juan
Pico
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Look at the submission requisites posted by Getty. Most of their concerns are to constrain digital and 35mm work. I think such requisites are intended to exclude, for example, instamatic types.
It is an arbitrary limit they use to keep the public at bay.
Do you think that Getty would exclude a picture that was unique to an 'important' event because it was taken by a cell-phone?
I don't think they would. Perhaps I am too generous.
It is an arbitrary limit they use to keep the public at bay.
Do you think that Getty would exclude a picture that was unique to an 'important' event because it was taken by a cell-phone?
I don't think they would. Perhaps I am too generous.
TareqPhoto
The Survivor
Please, define image quality, is it about the resolution and pixel, or is it about art? if the first one, then MF and LF will be always on top the lines, i did comparison with all my digital 35mm against one digital MF [H3DII-39 which is now replaced to H4D-60], my Hasselblad H beats all those 35mm digital in color sharpness and DR, so why i have to say that 35mm is better? if i will use that 35mm for something that Hasselblad can't then this is another story, i can produce art with P&S and 35mm, so this will not make those MF and LF any less as well, different systems for different style or reasons, or hourses for....,
Now if i saw an image so amazing and story-telling, or moment-capturing whatever camera it is i will not make it less if it was taken by a cheap camera, if i look for a pixel then i will have a different approach, so what is the quality meaning to someone? Many now taking amazing photos with any camera, and the one who is taking fine arts by P&S or cell phone is able to do with the most expensive camera, but it seems many who can't afford something great to use keep saying that it is not necessary to get high end gear because we can do with cheap end gear, but our hearts all saying: I WANT THAT EXPENSIVE CAMERA OR LENS, and i don't believe what the tongue saying that it is not a big deal.
Now if i saw an image so amazing and story-telling, or moment-capturing whatever camera it is i will not make it less if it was taken by a cheap camera, if i look for a pixel then i will have a different approach, so what is the quality meaning to someone? Many now taking amazing photos with any camera, and the one who is taking fine arts by P&S or cell phone is able to do with the most expensive camera, but it seems many who can't afford something great to use keep saying that it is not necessary to get high end gear because we can do with cheap end gear, but our hearts all saying: I WANT THAT EXPENSIVE CAMERA OR LENS, and i don't believe what the tongue saying that it is not a big deal.
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