Adorama and the infinite let down.

I haven't used the Used dept. at Adorama, but I tried to buy film, which was advertised on their website. Twice they took my money, but sent me email saying that that film is out of stock and I'd have to wait. Third time by mistake I ordered wrong film (Velvia 100f instead of Velvia 50). Even though I cancelled the buy within 10 min. I still got billed and got the film I didn,t want. Are they so greedy they just don't care?
 
I haven't used the Used dept. at Adorama, but I tried to buy film, which was advertised on their website. Twice they took my money, but sent me email saying that that film is out of stock and I'd have to wait. Third time by mistake I ordered wrong film (Velvia 100f instead of Velvia 50). Even though I cancelled the buy within 10 min. I still got billed and got the film I didn,t want. Are they so greedy they just don't care?

That's odd, because our sysatem is set up so we can never charge a credit card until an item actually ships. So this was undoubtedly caused by an error.
Could you please email me with your order number: Helen@adorama.com, so I can double-check that it was a 'one-off' incident? - and if not, I can have our IT department get onto it right away.
 
The vast majority of camera sales persons are not photographers, let alone experts. They get their information from sales reps, users who buy from them, and from experience about what items are most returned or sold.

All that matters is that they don't waste too much of your time in sales or exchange, and that they will attempt to stand behind what they sell.

They are most decidedly not a good source of technical information (as the manager told you quite honestly). There used to be exceptions, Lens and Repo, the Ken Hansen store on lower broadway were two. What is worse there is no one at Canon they can contact to help you out, once this stuff leaves Canon it falls into the dark hole of selling. 🙁

Right now I would put most camera stores somewhere between the Apple Store and Best Buy, information wise.

Well put. But I would put B&H in another league. There are people that are much more well read and when I have specific questions, if they can't answer them, they'll usually get me someone who can.

For all of these companies - many of the sales staff are just that - sales. They know basic specs but they aren't really interested in cameras or photography. Combine that with the large wallets of Europeans looking to get a good deal when they come stateside and what results is a poor experience for a local.

I don't buy really from any of these stores unless its a camera emergency. Better deals to be had online.
 
The vast majority of Adorama Camera sales staff are, in fact, photographers...........

🙂 You can't come to a photographer-centric site like RFF as an employee and customer service rep of Adorama, state "sales staff are, in fact, photographers" and not back it up with visual proof. Create a page on the Adorama site listing each sales staff member, bio info such as where they studied photography, if they have owned a commercial photo studio (where and for how long), where their work has been published, what camera systems they own, and most of all examples of their photography with a link to their websites.

That said, I have no issues with Adorama used sales -- the Achilles heel has been the lack of photos -- I don't know if it's different now or not. And I agree with other posters that the best way to buy used equipment from a camera store is to go there in person and examine it. What would make the used purchasing experience better? I'm glad I asked me. First off -- if the store had a few highly qualified factory trained repair people on staff, and also had pro shutter testing gear and such. The business model at present for all camera stores is to offer an easy return policy. So get the gear -- have no way to test shutter accuracy and other issues except to use gear, process film if a film camera, perhaps send to a repairman (only to find bringing to factory spec too costly to justify when factored into purchasing cost), and then pack and ship back if not satisfied. For some this is a barrier to purchasing.

I think it's good that Adorama is engaging the RFF audience. Perhaps they could extend an RFF discount 🙂
 
-- the Achilles heel has been the lack of photos -- I don't know if it's different now or not. ....

The reason that you only see 'stock photos' on the site, not actual pictures, is because we only use pictures provided by the manufacturers. These are uploaded to the website as a set of codes, rather than pictures eg like eBay. If a model is no longer in production, we may well not be able to get a hold of pictures.

However, there is rarely any problem with providing a set of actual pictures of the unit that interests you - from several angles - on request
 
Okay, I'll let you slide this time. 🙂

But on used gear -- I think photos of the actual item are a necessity -- and not just by request, but on site so a buyer can make a comparative decision when sourcing a particular item from more than one seller with the goal to make a purchase right away.

As I said above, it isn't actually possible because of the way the website was built.
 

So how many of these are salespeople on the floor? People that I would be meeting if I went into the store and bought something?

I looked through these and many are in corporate - directors/marketing/social media consultants/managers.

I've probably been helped about 20+ times (in the new section, never the used). And when I strike up conversations, only 1 of the guys responded as though he was a photographer (but admitted he wasn't any longer).
 
I don't work in the store and never go in there - I just pulled off details of colleagues who I have on Linked In.

Helen, what does it communicate when the Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador states that they never go in the store? (by the way you could have phoned/visited the store, counted the number of salespeople who are or were photographers, and replied with the number -- in essence -- answer the question -- or at least feign an interest)

When you write that you just pull details about your colleagues, not from personal knowledge gained by in person association, but by visiting the website Linked In -- well that is quite illuminating. I'm biting my tongue 🙂

If I had your position, I would frequently visit the store, the Internet sales division, basically the whole operation so I would know how the company's day to day functioning improved or hindered customer satisfaction. I would know everyone and they would know me -- so when there was a customer satisfaction issue I would know who to reach out to.

I would observe salespeople and customers. Then I would deliver a weekly report to management with recommendations for what the store could do to enhance a customer's satisfaction. When improvements were implemented, I would do my best to evaluate them, and continually fine tune them.

And when a customers stated they wanted to see photos online of all used items offered for sale, I wouldn't think responding as you did to me that the website wasn't built that way was a satisfactory reply. Here's a good reply -- I can identify with a customer's wish to see online photos of the actual item they're considering purchasing. I will discuss this with upper management. Thank you for your suggestion. Giving the customer what they want, when they want it is our goal. I appreciate your taking the time to reply.

Here's a radical concept. When a customer reaches out to you regarding a purchase of a used item, why not ask them if there are any specific items they've been looking for or are thinking of selling. You could then pass this along to the sales department and convert a customer service call to sales. Furthermore if you visited the store and knew salespeople and specific lines of equipment they were passionate about, then you could suggest the customer call "Bob" because he has a huge collection of Nikon F's or LTM's or whatever. Give them a 10 percent discount good for one week to make up for their inconvenience -- but really to advance customer loyalty. Imagine how the customer would feel about you and Adorama when they got off the phone. You're providing a call to action. Lacking this, the only thing you're advising the customer to do is return the item. A simple return policy isn't a customer service policy. I know I'm wasting my time.

Lets get quantitative. X items returned per year x Y shipping costs x 2 (to and from customer) = Z yearly losses to returns. Then add a value for the time the items are off sales inventory while shipped to and from customer -- and I hope you have a figure for this -- my guess 3 weeks -- then add say $8 for the time it takes employees to ship and receive, then add packing materials that are ruined - say $1.25 -- No doubt this will be a huge figure. And it doesn't even factor in losses when a customer shops elsewhere. He just returned an item -- he still may be in the market for such an item -- so he goes to your competitor who has a website with photos of used items -- purchases item -- is happy with item -- Bang you've lost a customer! Calculate the profit your company would have made on the sale had item not been returned. Also add a dollar value for book keeping time. Cumulatively, I bet this figure is in the high 6 figures. Ciao.

Get it?
 
Helen, what does it communicate when the Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador states that they never go in the store?

When you write that you just pull details about your colleagues, not from personal knowledge gained by in person association, but by visiting the website Linked In -- well that is quite illuminating.

If I had your position, I would frequently visit the store, the Internet sales division, basically the whole operation so I would know how the company's day to day functioning improved or hindered customer satisfaction. I would know everyone and they would know me -- so when there was a customer satisfaction issue I would know who to reach out to.

I would observe salespeople and customers. Then I would deliver a weekly report to management with recommendations for what the store could do to enhance a customer's satisfaction. When improvements were implemented, I would do my best to evaluate them, and continually fine tune them.

And when a customers stated they wanted to see photos online of all used items offered for sale, I wouldn't think responding as you did to me that the website wasn't built that way was a satisfactory reply. Here's a good reply -- I can identify with a customer's wish to see online photos of the actual item they're considering purchasing. I will discuss this with upper management. Thank you for your suggestion. Giving the customer what they want, when they want it is our goal. I appreciate your taking the time to reply.

Get it?

That isn't my job.

My role has nothing to do with the store. I don't manage the store staff - I don't manage anyone. I'm an Independent Consultant managing a process - which is monitoring the Internet and communicating with customers online who need additional support or advice. I DO provide regular reports to the Senior Management team - in relation to online activity.

I also communicate with the Team Managers on a regular basis, and know exactly who to connect with when there are issues; I don't need to be in the store to do that. It was one of the Team Managers who told me that many of the staff are also photographers - not sure why either he or I would make that up.....



BTW I first raised the issue of provide 'real' photographs 6 years ago, and have brought it up on several occasions since then, but each time have been told it wasn't possible.
 
If I had your position, I would frequently visit the store, the Internet sales division, basically the whole operation so I would know how the company's day to day functioning improved or hindered customer satisfaction.
I'd have to say "that's a very old-fashioned way of thinking". Normally I'd use that as a gag-line, as there's rather a lot to be said for old-fashioned ways of thinking.

Yet I'd have to note that most of Adorama's business (as near as I can tell) is based on on-line ordering, fullfullment of those orders in a timely fashion, and excellent integration with the various companies who deliver products to customers (UPS only, in the case of international orders; which is something that's always worked well for me). Most of which has little enough to do with in-store operations, I'd guess.

And the vast bulk of that, I'd guess (I'm doing a lot of guessing here) is for new products, rather than used. I've not personally had a lot of dealings with Adorama for used products (an OM-1N, which is fine, and a Mamiya lens, which wasn't quite) but because it's a sideline business, rather than their mainline one, I've always assumed that specialist 2nd-hand dealers (KEH; various eBay stores) would be better at that. I've not been surprised in that assumption, and I'm somewhat surprised that others are.

My assumption is that Helen's job is mostly to deal online with people who place online orders. Which, I'm guessing, might require a different approach and mindset.

...Mike
 
.....the vast bulk of that is for new products, rather than used.... it's a sideline business, rather than their mainline one.....

My understanding is there are usually around 27-28,000 used items in the Adorama warehouse at any one time, and that they buy in around 1,800 each week.
My assumption is that Helen's job is mostly to deal online with people who place online orders.....

As I explained above, my job is to interact with customers who are discussing Adorama online.
 
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