Any Makin 67/670 owners? Need HELP!

[jaehoppa]

I just bought a Makina 670 and it's my first film camera so I am very confused.
Right after I bought it I tried to test it without a film in it.
I found that the shutter wouldn't actuate with the rear cover close but when the cover was opened it did.
Inside I found a little tiny silver button right below where the shutter is located and when I pressed it with my finger and pressed the shutter it wouldn't actuate but when the silver button was not depressed (when the cover is opened) the shutter would actuate.
I got really confused and thought maybe it would work if I put in a film.
So I put in a roll and as per manual I matched up the arrows on the film with the arrows inside the camera. Then I close the rear cover and I had to crank the lever a couple times before the number "1" showed on the indicator. Is this normal? also after that, I found that I had to crank the lever TWICE in order the actuate the shutter. The shutter wouldn't fire after just a single crank of the lever.
I had to turn the lever twice in order to actuate the shutter.
Is this normal? I thought a single turn was sufficient to activate the shutter..I have no clue..
Let me know guys.
Thanks!!

 

[gshybrid]

try this thread... there are links to manuals.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65059

 

[bob338]

My 670 takes two cranks to advance and cock the shutter. My W67 only needs one crank.

 

[GaryLH]

The makina is like any other modern 120 camera. It has a shutter interlock to prevent shutter release until the film has been advanced to the stop point.

Right now I cannot remember how many cranks it takes to get to the next frame stop point.

Gary

 

[jaehoppa]

try this thread... there are links to manuals.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65059

Thanks for the link. I already checked the link and I have a copy of the manual but the manual really doesn't explain anything :bang:

 

[bob338]

Thanks for the link. I already checked the link and I have a copy of the manual but the manual really doesn't explain anything :bang:

What else do you need explained? You insert the film, line up the arrows, close the camera, and advance the film until it stops. Click the shutter for the first picture, then you need to crank it twice to advance and cock the shutter for the next picture.
Am I missing a question in the original post?

 

[jaehoppa]

What else do you need explained? You insert the film, line up the arrows, close the camera, and advance the film until it stops. Click the shutter for the first picture, then you need to crank it twice to advance and cock the shutter for the next picture.
Am I missing a question in the original post?

No you answered my question...just saying that the manual is pretty useless.
It doesn't mention anything about cranking twice (unless I missed that part).

One more question.
I bought a 120 format film from B&H, which I have in the camera right now, but when I opened the package I remember seeing "6cm x 6cm" shouldn't it say 6cm x 7cm?
I believe this is the exact film that I bought

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...m_15341552_RDP_III_120_Fujichrome_Provia.html

 

[Keith]

120 film is 120 film whether the end result will be 6x4.5 ~ 6x6 ~ 6x7 or 6x9.

It depends entirely on the MF camera it's going in. You'll soon understand it so don't get stressed about it all! 😀

Enjoy your Makina ... it's a camera I'd love to own! 🙂

 

[Keith]

I meant to add ... that's a hell of a camera for your first film camera! 😱

😀

 

[jaehoppa]

120 film is 120 film whether the end result will be 6x4.5 ~ 6x6 ~ 6x7 or 6x9.

It depends entirely on the MF camera it's going in. You'll soon understand it so don't get stressed about it all! 😀

Enjoy your Makina ... it's a camera I'd love to own! 🙂

thanks for the relieving words!
I feel much better now.
I think I understand now. One crank is probably not sufficient enough to advance the film to the next picture while leaving a gap in between.

 

[jaehoppa]

I meant to add ... that's a hell of a camera for your first film camera! 😱

😀

haha yeah I know!! hahaha
and it's older than me!
I've only used dslr's till now. currently have contax N digital, kodak slr/n, sony a900 and fuji x100.
I was mesmerized by the sample photos from makina in a korean review and had to buy it 🙂

 

[jaehoppa]

When you load the film ... you set it up as you did with the film lined up with the arrows or close.
Close the back and advance the film till it stops .... The shutter is now activated and
should show the 1 on the counter .

The part where you say the 1 is showing in the counter but you can advance the film two more strokes sounds like there may be a problem with the film advance mechanism which is a common problem and expensive to fix . It is recommended to shoot a roll of film through these cameras to check the spacing between the frames .
I had this problem with my 670 .....

On a few occasions I have forgotten to check to see if the film roll locks on the bottom of the camera have been completely engaged which will cause some problems ; )

Have you tried putting more than one roll of film through the camera ?

some extra info incase you did not know .....
It is also recommended that you set the lens to infinity each and every time you collapse the lens ,and not to fiddle with the focus knob while lens is in the collapsed position .....

Good luck and enjoy your new camera

Thanks for the important information.
But I think there might be some misunderstanding.
When I first put in the film and advance it until "1" is showing, the lever doesn't turn anymore. I have to take a picture before turning the lever twice more to go to "2". This is normal right? and two cranks between each picture?

 

[Keith]

haha yeah I know!! hahaha
and it's older than me!
I've only used dslr's till now. currently have contax N digital, kodak slr/n, sony a900 and fuji x100.
I was mesmerized the the sample photos from makina in a korean review and had to buy it 🙂

And your first GAS (gear aquisition syndrome) experience!

You're off to a flying start. 😀

 

[oftheherd]

I don't have a Makina, but I do have a Super Press 23. 6x7 is a lot of film to move across the film plane, so I would guess two cranks would be normal. It is about that for my Super Press 23. I don't have the double exposure prevention you do, but some cameras do.

Enjoy your first film experience. That is an unusual place to start, but should give you some really great photos.

 

[bob338]

One crank is probably not sufficient enough to advance the film to the next picture while leaving a gap in between.

The first crank advances the film, the second cocks the shutter.
Enjoy the camera, it's one of the best MF cameras ever made.

 

[shiro_kuro]

Thanks for the important information.
But I think there might be some misunderstanding.
When I first put in the film and advance it until "1" is showing, the lever doesn't turn anymore. I have to take a picture before turning the lever twice more to go to "2". This is normal right? and two cranks between each picture?

Yes that's it ....

I realized the misunderstanding and saw that Bob answered your question
so I deleted my post .... glad you found it helpful

It won't be hard to enjoy this camera as it is one of the most enjoyable cameras to use .....

 

[kuzano]

Jaehoppa.....

Jaehoppa.....

I just bought a Makina 670 and it's my first film camera so I am very confused.
Right after I bought it I tried to test it without a film in it.
I found that the shutter wouldn't actuate with the rear cover close but when the cover was opened it did.
Inside I found a little tiny silver button right below where the shutter is located and when I pressed it with my finger and pressed the shutter it wouldn't actuate but when the silver button was not depressed (when the cover is opened) the shutter would actuate.
I got really confused and thought maybe it would work if I put in a film.
So I put in a roll and as per manual I matched up the arrows on the film with the arrows inside the camera. Then I close the rear cover and I had to crank the lever a couple times before the number "1" showed on the indicator. Is this normal? also after that, I found that I had to crank the lever TWICE in order the actuate the shutter. The shutter wouldn't fire after just a single crank of the lever.
I had to turn the lever twice in order to actuate the shutter.
Is this normal? I thought a single turn was sufficient to activate the shutter..I have no clue..
Let me know guys.
Thanks!!

Many medium format camera's are design NOT to "dry fire" or without film.

It's a film camera, put film in it and go out and use it. I will bet all your questiions will be resolved.

Fuji 689 (early interchangeables) will not dry fire unless you change a film selector from Roll Film to Single Sheet. Yes, they had a single sheet operation.

Poeple who are experienced with firearms know that one of the best ways to break a firing pin is to "dry fire" the weapon. The firing pin is meant to be blunted by striking a primer in the cartridge.

In much the same sense cameras follow that reasoning. Stop dry firing it until you know how it's meant to work, manual notwithstanding.

 

[jaehoppa]

Is it damaging to dry fire?

 

[jaehoppa]

Ok let me ask these questions before i start using the camera.

1. The 670 is double stroke whereas the 67 is single. Correct? Why the difference?
2. I asked a 67 user and he said the shutter is supposed to fire even without a film loaded. But my 670 doesnt. Is this anothrt difference between the two cameras?

 

[MikeL]

Jaehoppa, everything is fine. It is okay to dry fire, nothing different than when film is loaded. It is just a shutter.

The double stroke reduces the stress on the film advance gearing. This was done to improve the long term film advance reliability over the 67.

You can make the 670 fire without film in it by holding the right roller as you advance. But it isn't set up to fire without film, and unless you need to adjust the rangefinder (have shutter open), I wouldn't.

Everything is fine.