Bergger pancro 400 and DD-X

[sportster44]

Bought some Pancro 400 and ive shot a coulpe of rolls. Rather than buy a developer listed in the data sheet, im wondering how to devlop it in ddx? Any ideas or a reference on where to start?

 

[xayraa33]

When in doubt with strange B&W film I always revert to good old D76 developer and the Massive Development Chart. This combo rarely has let me down.

http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Developer=D-76&mdc=Search

 

[sportster44]

That's just it.... I really don't want to mix up 5 litres of D76 when im in the middle of DDX. And massive dev chart has nothing on this combo as well.

 

[xayraa33]

That's just it.... I really don't want to mix up 5 litres of D76 when im in the middle of DDX. And massive dev chart has nothing on this combo as well.

You can't go wrong with the standard D76.

I would leave the DDX for now and go with D76 for most of my B&W development and the odd time use DDX on film I have info on.

That would be my two cents.

 

[Hogarth Ferguson]

I plan on using this same combo as I prefer ddx. let me know if you figure out times.

 

[sportster44]

I was hoping some of the resident experts would weigh in

 

[Moto-Uno]

I was hoping to find some reasonable average while going through numerous 400 speed films with DD-X and it all over the place from 6 to 12 minutes , so sorry I couldn't be of any help. Peter

 

[x-ray]

Simply shoot a roll of an average subject with normal tonal range. Rate the film at 400. Put the camera on a tripod and expose every frame at the same exposure. Go in the darkroom and clip off about a foot of film and load it in the tank. Mix your DDX as you normally would and run the first clip at 6 minutes. When finished do a second clip and run at 8 min. Do the same at 10 and 12. Evaluate your film looking for the most normal contrast. If one is too contrasty and the previous clip too flat go inbetween the two times. Very simple.

Everyone has a different technique so my time will not be the same as yours. Invest and customize your time for your technique. Box times are rarely correct for correct development for my way of agitation.

 

[x-ray]

Where did you get your Bergger 400? I've had some on backorder for several months.

 

[sportster44]

X-ray. Thanks for the input, you have given me something to think about. I got the film from Camera film photo based out of Hong Kong. Transaction and shipping went well, had the film in a couple of weeks.

 

[Jake Mongey]

+1 for Xrays comment.

I found that developing in the times for rodinol 1+50 were under developing the neg and a strip test said its actually 24 min at 20 degrees

 

[sportster44]

Still researching this.... Ilford mentions that DD-X is their equivalent to XTOL. and Bergger has dev times for XTOL in stock and 1+1 solutions. Using DD-X in 1+4, so I would like to know where this ratio is in comparison to the XTOL ratios for development times

 

[SaveKodak]

Use the DDX man, Ilford chemistry is amazing stuff! Convenient, mostly cheap, reliable.

 

[sportster44]

That's my plan, I'm just trying to get an idea on development times. From what I'm reading, it seems that DD-X is the Ilford equivalent of XTOL and has the same development times. Thinking about trying to develop some Pancro 400 using the same times as for XTOL.

 

[Freakscene]

DD-X is not an ascorbate developer, and is not equivalent to Xtol. But for a lot of films stock Xtol and DD-X 1+4 have similar development times.

Just give it a go. If the film was exposed when this thread started 2+ weeks ago your latent image may have started to degrade, depending on the characteristics of the film. X-Ray's approach is a good one, and giving in to fuss often makes things worse, not better.

Marty

 

[sportster44]

Well; DDX is terrific with Pancro 400! Very impressed with the film, very fine grained and great tone. Recipe I used:
DDX 1+4 9 minutes, agitate first minute then 10 seconds on the top of very minute, Ilfostop 1 minute, Ilford Fixer 6 minutes as per Bergger datasheet, rinse, and wetting agent.

 

[sportster44]

More pics from the roll.

 

[Orbiter]

Thanks for posting your process and photos. This is a film/developer combination I want to try and you saved me some time and trouble. Much appreciated.

 

[bayernfan]

thanks for sharing results. just shot my first roll of pancro 400 and was giving a DD-X dev serious consideration. would it be possible to email me the full res scans?

 

[sportster44]

My scans arent the best to determine granularity, etc. Some days I get great scans, some days not so much.