Cellphone?

jsrockit said:
Tanking? ...
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Yeah, "tanking", I don't know.

The smartphone market is officially in a "recession" but nonetheless, they're still selling one hell of a lot of 'em. No corporate suicides as yet.

"The figures confirm Counterpoint Research’s prediction that the global smartphone market will contract for the first time this year. Counterpoint reckons the decline will be around 1%—over the previous five years, the average growth was 16%."

http://fortune.com/2018/11/02/smartphone-shipments-sales-recession/

Anyhow, I'd resisted the notion of cellphone photography for a long time, was, mmm, repelled by the the idea that a phone and not a proper camera could be used to make effective images.

Well, times change ;)
 
As I mentioned above, the sale of high-end phones -with enhanced photo features is declining. Consumers are not willing to pay +S1000 for phones that can deliver nice pictures.
 
Yep, declining, in the sense that the makers have certainly hit the wall with price resistance.

In an uncertain global economy, people are definitely more resistant than ever - I would not have mine had it not been offered at fully 1/3 off. Manufacturers will almost certainly have to back off from hyper-pricing...

and yet I see $50,000 autos here all the time and think,"Who the hell can afford such a thing?"

https://www.google.com/search?q=201...ome..69i57.18606j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Anyhow, as to the capabilities of current generation of smartphone cameras...
 
xavyr said:
Yeah, "tanking", I don't know.

The smartphone market is officially in a "recession" but nonetheless, they're still selling one hell of a lot of 'em. No corporate suicides as yet.
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Exactly... But tanking? It's just like anything else. They have reached a point where they are good enough to last 4 years for people. But they sell tons of them still. Just not as much as before.
 
Peter Wijninga said:
As I mentioned above, the sale of high-end phones -with enhanced photo features is declining. Consumers are not willing to pay +S1000 for phones that can deliver nice pictures.
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Actually I have seen more than a few people move to a high end phone as their only computer. It might be hard to sell a yearly upgrade now, but the industry is not in dire straights. The $1000 phone market is not that old really. But yeah, it's declining as devices are good enough to use for many years but it's not tanking.
 
The $1000 cell phone is a curious beast. The market is now saturated so expensive phones are a way for the manufacturers to maintain income with declining sales. If people replace their phones a lot less frequently then the features of the phone must increase drastically to reduce replacement intervals, and the cost goes up...

They are expensive devices but most people on this forum have spent much more on cameras. And those cameras only do one thing.
 
I can't give you a larger sampling than just my immediate family. I got my son's hand-me-down iPhone 7 Plus (he paid full price when it came out and LIVED with it). He purchased a XS and loves the smaller size, paid full price. Watches video on his laptop, does graphic design work there, and writing, other than that he uses is phone and camera as a critical tool for earning money on the side and his life/fun. My youngest son got a referb 8 and is paying not $1K but slightly north of $500 over time. My wife just plunked down for a new 8 and cell watch, together just north of $1k.

Yes I think it's a ridiculous amount I'm very happy with the IQ I get and for a $40 fix (not to Apple spec but good enough for now) I'm happy and the family is happy with what they have.

I remember when PCs were $4K. Tropicana 1/2 gallon was $1.97 for the longest time in NYC. Yes there are downturns but people are buying into an ecosystem and Apple has built a premium brand image and support that goes along with it.

B2 (;->
 
Do you have stats to support your statement?
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Have a look at Forbes and Nikkei Asian Review: both have published articles about the declining demand for high-end phones. The link you provided says the same thing even though Apple's VP is saying it's all good. What else would he say?
 
I feel so out of time with my i.phone 5s !
But it does what I need, phone calls, e-mails or occasional browse of the web when not at home....even a few snapshots sometimes...
robert
PS: Anyway one day I'll have to change it because of the firmware/software will be obsolete...
 
robert blu said:
I feel so out of time with my i.phone 5s !
But it does what I need, phone calls, e-mails or occasional browse of the web when not at home....even a few snapshots sometimes...
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I am still using my IPhone 4. I can do all the mentioned tasks even the phone is out of everything since years.
So - stay relaxed :)
 
Peter Wijninga said:
Have a look at Forbes and Nikkei Asian Review: both have published articles about the declining demand for high-end phones. The link you provided says the same thing even though Apple's VP is saying it's all good. What else would he say?
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Forbes...

June...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanba...t-selling-smartphone-in-q1-2018/#4339f32d7d2f

November ...

http://fortune.com/2018/11/01/global-smartphone-sales-decline-first-time/

1% is NOT tanking... its just a point where mature products are being used longer. It happens with all tech.
 
I still use my iPhone 6s and it still works just fine for me. At my age, I don’t receive many calls. To keep the robo calls at bay I have it in airplane mode most of the time. It goes into voicemail so if someone really wants to talk they leave a voicemail.

Maybe I’ll upgrade when 5g is up and running. Then I will be able to get rid of some of the services I currently subscribe to.
 
I use a Pixel 2 for most of my shooting since I purged most of my camera collection a few years ago (and before that, my iPhone 4s and 6). For the most part, they can completely replace a point-and-shoot for me. The quality is more than sufficient for online viewing and I could probably make a pretty solid print from some of the shots I've taken. It's no DSLR, but I always have it with me.
 
When I photograph with my iPhone 7s I use Lightroom Mobile and have the camera set to record in the DNG RAW format. At least then I've captured all the pixels the camera records and then if its a keeper its saved to my LR catalog. The smartphone has made it too easy to share instantly with the world today.
 
I just bought an iPhone Xs. I will admit this is the first cellphone I think I will use as a camera. It is not a replacement for anything with a 1" sensor or larger if you take time to do post processing, etc. However, it is pretty good for a small sensor camera and apps help you make the most of the processing power and maximize the sensor.
 
I just can't handle the things, I've dropped mine twice trying to take a picture. I don't care how good the image quality is I don't like the feel of them as an image taking tool. I don't like the feel of Nikon cameras either.
 
jsrockit said:
... I will admit this is the first cellphone I think I will use as a camera. ...
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Am leaning to this direction as well. It's good enough for shots in good light, and most likely first device on your hand when something photo worthy happens. Otoh am glad not shooting much with early iPhones etc. from beginning of this decade, and took the trouble of using real camera.
 
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