Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
The 35mm mounted slide carrier actually works just fine. It is the 35mm strip holder that sucks, and there is no upgrade for it. I just scan my 35mm frames with the glass 120 carrier.
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JeremyLangford
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What's the difference between this
http://www.adorama.com/INKFH869G.html
and this?
http://www.adorama.com/INKFH869GR.html
I'm assuming you use the one on the first link. How many frames 35mm frames can you fit in it?
dfoo
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I was reading up on the 9000 last night... there is no strip feeder for film, nor a roll feeder. That would make 35mm scanning more painful than the 5000 series.
karthiks
Nomadic Photographer
I have used the second one and I think it comes with a small mask which you can use to scan panaroma 35 mm with 🙂
The scanner is amazing except for the holders. All that has been covered before though 😀
The scanner is amazing except for the holders. All that has been covered before though 😀
karthiks
Nomadic Photographer
Yea you don't have that. You can load 12 frames at one go though in the 9000 and it ain't that hard. And you have the option of using 120/220 film 🙂
JeremyLangford
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I am a little confused about what film holder I should get to scan 35mm and 6x6 (Both unmounted). I understand that the two Nikon 6x6 options with glass are the FH-869G and the FH-869GR. But how would either of these work with 35mm?
I am used to my Epson V500 where you just put the strips in a holder with no masking in-between the frames and manually select each frame in the software before you scan. Is this how the 9000 works or does the scanner automatically pick out each frame for you?
If the FH-869GR only scans one frame at a time, then will I have to cut my 6x6 and/or 35mm film for each individual frame instead of strips?
I am used to my Epson V500 where you just put the strips in a holder with no masking in-between the frames and manually select each frame in the software before you scan. Is this how the 9000 works or does the scanner automatically pick out each frame for you?
If the FH-869GR only scans one frame at a time, then will I have to cut my 6x6 and/or 35mm film for each individual frame instead of strips?
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
You can leave the film in strips in the GR carrier, but only one frame will show through the mask at a time. If you use the non-rotating carrier, or the regular 35mm or 120 carriers, all the frames on a strip will show. You do a thumbnail scan that quickly makes a thumbnail of each frame. You then choose one or more frames (you can do all or just some) to do higher res prescans of. These prescans let you apply settings for color, resolution, exposure, ICE, sharpening, etc. to each frame (each frame can have different settings applied). You then hit the final scan button for the full-res final scans of the frames you selected.
JeremyLangford
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Is the purpose of the mask to keep the film elevated off of the bottom piece of glass to avoid Newton Rings? Otherwise, it seems pointless to have a mask cover up all the other frames in the strip except for one causing you to have to reposition the strip after every single scan.
mh2000
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Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Yes, that is the purpose, and going without the mask causes SERIOUS newton's rings. I've tried it!
It also tells the scanner what film type is loaded, via a set of holes in one end of the mask. The number and position of the holes tells the scanner which neg carrier is used, and in the case of the glass carriers, which mask.
popeye
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Yeah I like the Hotel shot as well, reminds me of another southern photog out of Memphis...
Just a thought since eBay came up earlier, I would just buy the scanner from B&H or some such as you know what the price will be and no concerning yourself with bidding on it and bidding it up past retail, unless they have it as Buy It Now price and it's within reason as well as being a reputable source.
Congrats and good luck in you endeavors!
historicist
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I would definitely buy one from a reputable dealer. "I don't know if it's working, sold as seen" is incredibly risky and even if you get one fully working from a good seller if it breaks in the future you will have to pay for the repair yourself and it is expensive.
The latter happened to me only a couple of weeks after I got my 8000 in a private sale, and turned a good price into a bad price. If I'd paid more and got it from a dealer they would have fixed it free (in England at least you nearly always get a years guarantee with second hand things). In Europe anyway the ebay prices aren't even cheaper than a dealer price.
A couple of other things:
1. The glass film holders are necessary for medium format and really expensive. Without them the scanner is not much better than a V500 on medium format.
2. Nikon Scan is problematic on recent macs, so you might want to budget for Vuescan or Silverfast
3. If you're just scanning 35mm the smaller Coolscans might be a better choice. They have easier film handling - just feed the strip in - and are cheaper and much smaller. I don't really see any difference between scans I made on a Coolscan IV and on my 8000 with 35mm, plus the recent ones are faster than the 9000 with 35mm. Which leads on to:
4. Scanning isn't quick or easy but there's sadly no way around that it unless you buy a digital camera.
The latter happened to me only a couple of weeks after I got my 8000 in a private sale, and turned a good price into a bad price. If I'd paid more and got it from a dealer they would have fixed it free (in England at least you nearly always get a years guarantee with second hand things). In Europe anyway the ebay prices aren't even cheaper than a dealer price.
A couple of other things:
1. The glass film holders are necessary for medium format and really expensive. Without them the scanner is not much better than a V500 on medium format.
2. Nikon Scan is problematic on recent macs, so you might want to budget for Vuescan or Silverfast
3. If you're just scanning 35mm the smaller Coolscans might be a better choice. They have easier film handling - just feed the strip in - and are cheaper and much smaller. I don't really see any difference between scans I made on a Coolscan IV and on my 8000 with 35mm, plus the recent ones are faster than the 9000 with 35mm. Which leads on to:
4. Scanning isn't quick or easy but there's sadly no way around that it unless you buy a digital camera.
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JeremyLangford
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So how many frames of 35mm can be viewed at a time with the rotating holder? Would you use the 35-mm panorama mask?
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
On. Two different pano masks come with it...one is a little longer than the other. I masked one of mine off to be a single 35mm frame since I don't have an Xpan or a Widelux (the cameras the two masks support film from). You need to mask it down because the clear area between frames produces flare problems if you don't.
JeremyLangford
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So you fit a strip of 5 frames into the holder where one frame is visible, scan the frame, eject the holder, and move the strip over so that the next frame will be visible?
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Yes, that's how the glass rotating carrier works.
If you have PERFECTLY flat 35mm film strips, you can use the regular 35mm carrier. It works fine for perfectly flat negs. But they have to be 100% perfectly flat. The regular carrier has two 6-frame strips so you can put one or two strips of up to 6 per strip in it and scan all or some of the images in a single batch scan operation.
JeremyLangford
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Dang. I just read this page and now I'm wondering if wet scanning would be a better option than the FH-869GR. :bang:
http://www.weaved.net/wet.htm
http://www.weaved.net/wet.htm
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
That is a gigantic pain in the butt that you do not want to go with, especially as a beginner. It is messy, it is hard to keep the scans dust free as the liquid is a dust magnet and glue, and cleaning the film and carrier afterward is a pain
literiter
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I received the FH-869GR for my CS 9000 a few days ago. At 4000 dpi I can see grain on my 120 film. This is very nice. I wish I'd had the presence of mind to get this holder when I got the scanner.
I was not prepared for the amount of preparation required to scan a negative and the extraordinary amount of cleanliness required to not get microscopic fuzzballs all over the scan. If you want to scan a lot of 6x6 negs with this thing be prepared for a lot of work. The upside is, of course, a beautiful scan, well worth the effort and the cost.
I was not prepared for the amount of preparation required to scan a negative and the extraordinary amount of cleanliness required to not get microscopic fuzzballs all over the scan. If you want to scan a lot of 6x6 negs with this thing be prepared for a lot of work. The upside is, of course, a beautiful scan, well worth the effort and the cost.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
I agree, it does take a lot of work, and it is totally worth it.
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