Hektor
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Dave, try thinking 'east' - german.........
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
Hektor said:
I'm still at a loss... all I keep seeing are those old East German automobiles that fall apart in the rain, Trebants, and I hope that Leica's getting its sensor from somewhere else
Dave
zeos 386sx
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Leica's sensors are being made in a little shop in Oberkochen - when the woodcarvers take some time off from carving birds for the Cookoo clocks.
Who in Germany makes imaging sensors?
Who in Germany makes imaging sensors?
Hektor
Leicapile
Well, I think Jen-optik could.........sort of the reformation of Zeiss-Jena..........which some would say is the original Zeiss......at least they made the original contax, and Sonnars, and things like that........I'm only guessing..............They make posh CCD's and lasers and things for industry and space........
zeos 386sx
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I don't know... I just visited the Jenoptik website and found a product spec that uses a "Philips FTF3020C Full Frame Color CCD Sensor". Are you certain they make sensors?Hektor said:
Hektor
Leicapile
Well I'm not 'certain' about any of this but I think they make the sensor for Phillips, - I think it's all to do with re-unification of Germany and co-operative projects to get former 'east-germany' up to speed. Maybe Panasonic have a fab in Germany ?
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Philips does make sensors, but it is a Dutch firm.....
Hektor
Leicapile
I think Robert White knows about east-german digital sensors and digital backs, but I don't know whether he's an RFF contributing member.
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
jaapv said:
heh.. the Leica guy stated that the sensors would be made in Germany... I hope the Germans aren't planning on anexxing Holland !!
Dave
Hektor
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Leitz sent a contingent to Canada, - just in case, - and made the best lenses in the world, - then sold it to Hughes Aircraft - or somebody like that. I think they still make military Elcan equipment.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
dcsang said:heh.. the Leica guy stated that the sensors would be made in Germany... I hope the Germans aren't planning on anexxing Holland !!
Dave
They did that once. Didn't work out in the end..... (Sorry my German friends,I couldn't resist that one,no offence meant)
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sheepdog
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sfb_dot_com said:Hmmm verrry interesting. A lot of this sounds very similar to the just-today announced Nikon D200. (http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID202/54.html) Given that it is widely thought that the RD1's sensor is from the D70, could this mean convergence of technology?? It would make sense for some of the smaller imaging companies to share technology against the might of the likes of Canon.
Anyway, on a completely different note, if there is a successor to the RD1, will it be called the R2D2?
Andy
The sensor in the D70 is one the most widely used sensor in the DSLR market. It comes from Sony, and is used in (from the top of my head) Nikon D50, D70, D70s and MAYBE (don't remember) D100, Konica Minolta 7D, 5D, Pentax *ist D, DS, DL and as you say the Epson RD1. There are obiviously minor tweaks to the production line as the years go by, and every manufacturer customize the AA-filter and Bayer filter (and the ISO range, though I'm not familiar with the technical details there) to their own spec, but the underlying sensor tech is still pretty much the same.
The reason for this must be that the size and price of the Sony sensor has discouraged other chip-makers from competing, and thus they have lead this market for the last 3.5 years. Canon (own designs), Fuji (own designs), Sigma (Foveon X3) and Olympus (Kodak fourthirds) do their own things.
It would not surprise me if the new Sony ~10MP CCD will sit at the heart of the follow-ups to most of said cameras, but the Leica sensor will, as noted, have a different physical size (for ~1.3x crop) and a different (German) source. Hope the high ISO performance will be up to spec (but the relatively large photosites make me confident of that), and I am sure the Digital M will be a stellar performer IQ-wise. Now if I only could find a way to get my inheritance early..
Kind regards
Kjetil
zeos 386sx
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Is it possible that the sensor is Phillips but that it is being constructed into a working "sensor module" by Jenoptik in Germany?
Hektor
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I think the Phillips sensor is made in germany.
N
Nikon Bob
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Hektor said:
They are still there http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/s...tblmntNo=103985920000&profile=completeProfile .
Bob
MP/CLE
Established
I heard from my dealer that the MD would have something in the range of 16 megapixels...but its probably going to be a year late.
zeos 386sx
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Jenoptik also makes digital camera modules using DALSA CCD's. Dalsa is based in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
Dalsa's FTF4027C is an 11 Megapixel Color CCD.
Resolution: 4008(H) x 2672(V), 10709376 pixels
Pixel Size: 9µm x 9µm
Active Area: 36.1mm x 24mm
Dynamic Range: >72 dB linear
# Outputs: 4
Max. Frame Rate: 7.5fps
Total Data Rate: 100MHz
Someone help me with the math. What does a full-frame 11 megapixel CCD become if you don't use all of it and give it a 1.33 lens factor?
Dalsa's FTF4027C is an 11 Megapixel Color CCD.
Resolution: 4008(H) x 2672(V), 10709376 pixels
Pixel Size: 9µm x 9µm
Active Area: 36.1mm x 24mm
Dynamic Range: >72 dB linear
# Outputs: 4
Max. Frame Rate: 7.5fps
Total Data Rate: 100MHz
Someone help me with the math. What does a full-frame 11 megapixel CCD become if you don't use all of it and give it a 1.33 lens factor?
sfb_dot_com
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sheepdog said:...if I only could find a way to get my inheritance early..
Kind regards
Kjetil
You could...
but I think the opportunities for photography inside a cell are strictly limited, unless you are REALLY into Still Life
Regards
Andy
ywenz
Veteran
zeos 386sx said:
Use it for image stabilization...? lol..
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Dalsa was a customer of mine WAY back when CCDs were just becoming commercially viable. They've continued to evolve and grow, providing OEM products for pretty high-end applications. This could be interesting.
Trius
Trius