Exploding heads over at APUG

[Berth]

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Fundamentalism in all of its forms is such a counter-productive drain of energy and waste of time.

I prefer to spend my time and energy on more creative endeavors. I suspect most folks here share that preference.

Ah, so you haven't been reading the thread on the quality of Leica's M9 sensor.😀

 

[stompyq]

I started reading this thread from the beginning and realized it's from 2005!!!

 

[rumbliegeos]

I once made the mistake of answering a post about Nikon lenses on APUG by including the phrase "...and it works well on digital bodies, too", and was almost instantly sent a message by an non-moderator member scolding me for using the d-word. I have learned much from the site, and I think it serves an important role, but I also think like most forums it has some members who are jerks. And I think this forum has a remarkably small number of those.

 

[Hsg]

Bashing one's head against the wall or with others is one of those elements that is a by-product of being stuck in the past.

Sometimes its painful to wake up and realize that what one valued and practiced for so long is suddenly redundant.

Film users and believers have my sympathy.

 

[Mackinaw]

I use APUG for one reason, I like reading anything from Ron Mowrey, who worked for Kodak, back during it's golden years. If you want to know the intricacies and difficulty of making film, this is the guy you want to read.

I do find APUG a bit hypocritical though. They tow the company line of "only film," yet every image in their gallery has been digitized. Never have figured that out.

Jim B.

 

[DominikDUK]

If you want to make emulsion sans lab Denise Ross is a better choice than Ron Mowrey. And I personally love the APUG threads with contributions by both of them, they very often end up as perfectionist vs common sense, but they usually are very informative and very entertaining. Ron Mowrey the perfectionist and Denise Ross the Kitchen chemist a mix of them would be exactly what the emulsion making movement needs.

For all people interested in emulsion making I can only recommend Denise Ross site the lightfarm (http://www.thelightfarm.com/) a Workshop with Ron Mowrey can't hurt either.

 

[back alley]

a nine year old thread is brought back to life by someone who then deletes the post…hhmm.
a wave of renewed negativism towards another site washes over rff…

must be a slow morning around the world.

 

[Bill Clark]

Yes, it's a slow morning.

Lots of rain the past few days, lake level looking better.

This morning it's been snowing!

 

[djhurley92]

a nine year old thread is brought back to life by someone who then deletes the post…hhmm.
a wave of renewed negativism towards another site washes over rff…

must be a slow morning around the world.

I regretted commenting in the first place! I deleted it and left a more positive reply.

 

[kshapero]

I spend 90% of my photo forum time here at RFF, but sometimes I want a pure biased analogue viewpoint. For that, APUG is the place.

 

[John E Earley]

I started reading this thread from the beginning and realized it's from 2005!!!

Done especially for those who didn't believe in resurection.

 

[helen.HH]

Don't understand your POV re: my post...
And You saying "You are not exactly raising your own game folks...")

I agreed with the Concept that its absurd to be such an extreme fundamentalist with Film in the World today
like some are at APUG

They dabble in the World of technology scanning, PP, printing which ineviably can alter the 'Look' of Film
Yet they can only criticize those that use digital/ digital Techniques

Whats wrong with my Thinking ?

 

[Murray Kelly]

Yes, it's a slow morning.

Lots of rain the past few days, lake level looking better.

This morning it's been snowing!

Like I said, mate, not here. 27.5 deg from the equator (think Miami), and 28 deg C today. Get out of the NA mind set, please! There's a whole world out there. Heading into winter here.

Ron Mowrey (Rowland on some fora) is a gem. He is constrained by contract from comment but I perceive a degree of prodding (directing) of development experimental types along useful lines from the encyclopaedic knowledge he has about the subject. I suspect Pat Gainer 'stumbled' upon TEA as a solvent/pH controller from Ron's suggestions? Ron couldn't do it himself legally. Obviously I have no evidence of this statement but merely draw attention to the possibility.

This is an interesting thread! We are starting to see some really deeply biased and revealing insights now. It reveals that the very objectionable OP's experiences could easily occur here on RFF!

Unfortunately it is now almost 2am local (+10 Z) and I will have to reconnect in the late morning. What a diverse world we live in!

 

[helen.HH]

😱 I'm genuinely curious - how do they reconcile their intense hatred towards digital imaging and printing with the fact that they are using a (very) digital service?

To 'KM-25'
This was the quote I was agreeing with.
Whats to find fault in this thinking
Here was my exact Quote in Response to
'YYV_ eloquent post
"How perfectly analyzed... Their lies the Beauty of their stupidity
And we can All Chuckle"

 

[Murray Kelly]

To 'KM-25'
This was the quote I was agreeing with.
Whats to find fault in this thinking
I'm in Agreement

Before I fall into bed, isn't it all about the image rather than how you achieve it?

 

[tunalegs]

Before I fall into bed, isn't it all about the image rather than how you achieve it?

Well - unless you're a concept artist! :angel:

 

[anjoca76]

I don't see what is so bad about APUG wanting to be all, or mostly, digital. I am happy it exists. I go there when I can't find what I want here. Fortunately I do not spend enough time there to have to worry about any exploding heads!

I can understand the debates about film and digital. It doesn't mean I don't find them tedious at times, but I get it, especially since, lest we forget, this is a forum based around gear. It is not purely a photography forum. I know that irks some people, but it's true. The tools we used to make our images are, at its core, what RFF is all about. So to say "it's all about the image" is not really accurate on a forum dedicated to rangefinders.

What I like about RFF, though, is that other cameras are discussed, not just rangefinders, and I have also learned a good deal about image-making too on here. I'm a film shooter, so sure, some of the digital stuff gets old for me, and it often makes me wish for the old days of RFF. But these are the times we live in. In fact, I have learned enough about the Fuji line to pique my interest; I may even pick one up at some point. Probably very soon!

Anyway, I wish there weren't so many barbs being tossed around on this thread--it's getting ugly. But on some level, I can understand. It shows we are passionate.

Digital is not evil. Neither is film. Whatever one wants to use to make photographs should be all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[helen.HH]

Before I fall into bed, isn't it all about the image rather than how you achieve it?

Yes indeed you are quite right in my book

Its ALL about the Image
As long as it Moves the Viewer
Makes no difference be it Film or Digi

I was just agreeing in the absurdity of being a hardcore
Film fanatic like some on APUG yet they can
Use today's technology in getting their work out which may alter the original film negative

 

[dcsang]

hmm... sounds to me like the name should be changed from "Apug" to "A Thug" 😉

I jest of course . . .

😀

Cheers,
Dave

 

[back alley]

apug can't be all bad…after all, they hate me over there!