icebear
Veteran
LOL, folks just look at all the different formats, different lenses for different sensor size, different mount bodies. How many adapters will you need to buy to make last years lenses work on next years body?
I stick with one mount type that's been around for 60 odd years, that's M-bayonet for me
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I stick with one mount type that's been around for 60 odd years, that's M-bayonet for me
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danielsterno
making soup from mud
Maybe a 2 step approach for the XPII- XP1s in 2014 first with various enhancements but no FF and then a XPII in mid 2015 which would be the FF/New lens release schedule with new organic sensor?? So until its in the store- my x100 & M6 both with a 35mm gets it done for me….. fine print= if the Nikon Df is what we all think- that may be worth thinking about now… we'll find out next week!
Lauffray
Invisible Cities
Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference ?
willie_901
Veteran
Convenience of connectivity will not improve my photography.
Margu
Established
buy that FF camera and post 800x600 jpgs on flicker. this is what stops me from getting excited with the whole ff upgrade.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
"Upgrades" ROTFLMAO.
A lot of people might lose the legitimate reason to share their photos on forums if the upgrade factor were taken out of the picture (me included sometimes LOL)
Make some prints. I've made 20x30" prints from the original X100.
Margu
Established
There is a pleasure in upgrade which is enough of a reason to upgrade provided there is the disposable cash, but practically the limiting factor for still photography is digital display. even with 4k monitors and TVs, still we're far from getting the full value of high resolution images.
i'll only print if people ask for it and pay me, so far no luck.jsrockit said:
GaryLH
Veteran
I agree on the too light part. But thin does not always translate in too light.
The reason I prefer xp1 for legacy lenses is better weight and balance.
Gary
The reason I prefer xp1 for legacy lenses is better weight and balance.
Gary
Me neither, but that wasn't the point. Look at the new A7 with Zeiss 35mm... and its full frame. The lens is not large.
You are dealing with a technology that is not mature. APS-C appears to be a stop gap unfortunately. Stay away from it if you want to be using your lenses in 3-4 years. I just sell things before they become too old and any depreciation is less than I would have spent on film for film cameras.
Probably not. These are essentially computers and the tech moves quickly.
I'd wait a little while. Perhaps Canon will come out with something FF and smaller within the year.
Fuji will most likely abandon APSC in the next few years. I thinks its kind of like when Olympus had all those half frame cameras until Rollei proved you could make a tiny FF camera.
GaryLH
Veteran
I hope Fuji doesn't or anyone else abandon apsc....
In terms of manufacturing cost, the yield on a apsc sensor has got to be much higher then a ff one. Cost, weight, and overall performance it is going to be the sweet spot.
If we can get a low end ff body for the 700 range (something equiv to Nikon d3xxx family), then I think, u have a good point.
But on the other hand, apsc version of that body or p&s maybe selling in the 300 to 400 range.. IMHO, m43 maybe the one that gets pushed the hardest at that point.. (Predicated on smartphone cameras continuing to eat up the low and mid-range p&s market)..
When my old gear finally gives up the ghost in your five years down the road scenario and someone says like Fuji has got a 16-24mp ff camera body under 800, of course I would go for it :angel:
But then again chances are that GAS will have gotten to me way before that
Gary
In terms of manufacturing cost, the yield on a apsc sensor has got to be much higher then a ff one. Cost, weight, and overall performance it is going to be the sweet spot.
If we can get a low end ff body for the 700 range (something equiv to Nikon d3xxx family), then I think, u have a good point.
But on the other hand, apsc version of that body or p&s maybe selling in the 300 to 400 range.. IMHO, m43 maybe the one that gets pushed the hardest at that point.. (Predicated on smartphone cameras continuing to eat up the low and mid-range p&s market)..
When my old gear finally gives up the ghost in your five years down the road scenario and someone says like Fuji has got a 16-24mp ff camera body under 800, of course I would go for it
:angel: But then again chances are that GAS will have gotten to me way before that
Gary
noimmunity
scratch my niche
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-full-frame-debate.html
another perspective on why FF may not be important for most uses.
another perspective on why FF may not be important for most uses.
willie_901
Veteran
This is an insightful article. I happen to agree with practically everything the author writes.
But this essay infuriates many people. It's unpleasant when the physics and common sense trumps intuitive, emotion-based longings.
GaryLH
Veteran
Very true. I also happen to agree w/ a lot of the points made. And I admit when the a7 was first announced, it got my gear head side really interested... Then I stepped back and asked myself.. Do I really need it??? Not......
From a how I shoot and the types of shots I take perspective...plus I don't blow up any bigger than 13x19... Apsc is really as big as I need.
I just want a bit more mega pixels so that I can leave the 35f1.4 or 28f2.8 on and be able to get a smaller crop than I can now when the situations warrants not having time to change to a longer lens or when I don't feel like carrying the second lens. I am hoping Fuji announces a 24mp sensor by next year.
From a gear head perspective, if the price is right and when I need to upgrade, the GAS may just get me.
Gary
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Gary, regarding full-frame vs. APS-C issues: I agree that modern APS-C sensors provide PLENTY of image quality and resolution. HOWEVER... the reason I've been dreaming of an affordable full-frame interchangeable lens camera for all these 'digital age' years is simply about lens focal length. The crop factor issue has driven me crazy all these years. I want to be able to mount my 35mm Nikkor on a body and have a 35mm field of view. Period. But all the FF Nikons prior to the D600 have been way out of reach for my bank account. Now, finally, the camera developers are getting close. The Sony price is not too bad. We'll have to see about the Nikon Df. $3000 is a bit out of reach for me.
And another thing.. . wouldn't it be great if one of these companies took the chance and started a line of MANUAL FOCUS lenses? How sweet that would be!
Jamie
GaryLH
Veteran
I think I saw on one of the rumor sites that Zeiss was eventually going to release a set of ff mf lenses for the a7.
Well.. Does that mean u are getting one?
Gary
Well.. Does that mean u are getting one?
Gary
aeturnum
Established
I don't care what size my camera sensor is (though my inner geek appreciates how compact cameras have gotten). APS-C cameras can produce great images. I don't care what sensor a fixed lens camera has inside it (I rented the RX-1, it was nice, but nothing that made me think "oh, that's why you want a full frame sensor").
However, In terms of longevity, the smaller the image circle, the less value a lens has. I can mount a brand new canikon lens on an M3 and I can mount the M3 lenses on my X-Pro (or an A7). I tend to prefer wider lenses to longer ones, so I don't like my lens' effective focal lengths being pushed up. My APS-C lenses can't be used on full frame sensors without a lot of cropping, which I regret.
I don't see myself buying a 'x200' FF fuji with a fixed lens. I don't care about the sensor size in a fixed lens camera. I would be very interested to see that sensor in an x-pro-like camera.
However, In terms of longevity, the smaller the image circle, the less value a lens has. I can mount a brand new canikon lens on an M3 and I can mount the M3 lenses on my X-Pro (or an A7). I tend to prefer wider lenses to longer ones, so I don't like my lens' effective focal lengths being pushed up. My APS-C lenses can't be used on full frame sensors without a lot of cropping, which I regret.
I don't see myself buying a 'x200' FF fuji with a fixed lens. I don't care about the sensor size in a fixed lens camera. I would be very interested to see that sensor in an x-pro-like camera.
back alley
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i love the idea of a full frame sensor in a fixed lens camera.
the rx1…the x200 or whatever…
it brings me closer to the simplicity of one camera one lens...
the rx1…the x200 or whatever…
it brings me closer to the simplicity of one camera one lens...
GaryLH
Veteran
And how long will that last? :angel:
Gary
:angel:Gary