Jubb Jubb
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After watching the digital rev "hands on" video of the x-pro-1, I am sticking with my leica m8. Autofocus - bah!, (i didn't see any zone focusing marks on the lenses - so unsure if you can do that on the x-pro-1 lenses).
olelovold
Established
I had the M8 for a while. Fantastic build, but not much more than that. IR filters on every lens are a pain and makes lenses ghost and flare like hell. Would freeze up when shooting several images in a row or in sub zero temperatures (would have to put in a fresh battery to make it work again). Dynamic range terrible - try pushing a M8 file in post, it's gonna look awful. High ISOs are pathetic by todays standards. XP1 is probably as good at ISO 6400 as the M8 is on ISO 640.
I'm biased, of course, having an XP1 with the 18 and 35 on preorder. I've had the X100 before (traded it for a mint 500CM) and I loved it despite its flaws. The files were magnificent and it's so tiny. Incredible lens too. I think the X system shows great promise. It's clearly a system Fuji is dedicated to.
I'm biased, of course, having an XP1 with the 18 and 35 on preorder. I've had the X100 before (traded it for a mint 500CM) and I loved it despite its flaws. The files were magnificent and it's so tiny. Incredible lens too. I think the X system shows great promise. It's clearly a system Fuji is dedicated to.
willie_901
Veteran
You can zone focus using both finders or the camera LCD. There is a scale with the focus point and the DOF.
Even though you can operate the AF manually, But your decision is best for you as the XP1 is an AF camera.
jippiejee
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But not really... and that's my problem with this camera. AF isn't really all that great. I understood it's sluggish and misses focus too often.
AF is quite good. It's not DSLR fast, but neither then is an M8. What makes the X-Pro1 is the sensor, which makes the M8 sensor look like a 6 year old CCD. Oh, yeah. It is. 
ISO 25600 looks better than the M8 at 640. Actually, that's being kind...
ISO 25600 looks better than the M8 at 640. Actually, that's being kind...
You can zone focus using the distance scale in the viewfinder, or use hyperfocal, same as the x100
And some quotes about the lenses, and a review link (courtesy of google translate):
"Overall it appears that these three objectives-served by the X-Trans sensor and processor, the key to this team, they behave almost exactly as it was hoped that they would do in theory: an extraordinary image quality, reminiscent of the best times of the optical telemetry and high-definition movies.
XF Fujinon 18 mm f / 2 R for Fujifilm X-Pro1: Conclusion
In short, a superb angular light equivalent to a 28 mm f / 2, which can be used without complex from full aperture of f / 2, rivaling the best of fixed optical market with similar characteristics.
XF Fujinon 35 mm f / 1.4 R for Fujifilm X-Pro1: Conclusion
In sum, a goal that more than satisfy fans of the optical bright, able to open up to f / 1.4. One wonders what a leap in performance could have been achieved by limiting this view to an aperture of f / 2 (4), but the marketing needs demanded, more than likely, the aperture of f / 1.4.
XF Fujinon 60 mm f / 2.4 Macro R Fujifilm X-Pro1: Conclusion
Overall, probably the best digital lens and its focal category, more than likely a new optical paradigm."
Fujifilm X-Pro1, La Prueba - Ópticas XF - DSLR Magazine
Google Translate
"Overall it appears that these three objectives-served by the X-Trans sensor and processor, the key to this team, they behave almost exactly as it was hoped that they would do in theory: an extraordinary image quality, reminiscent of the best times of the optical telemetry and high-definition movies.
XF Fujinon 18 mm f / 2 R for Fujifilm X-Pro1: Conclusion
In short, a superb angular light equivalent to a 28 mm f / 2, which can be used without complex from full aperture of f / 2, rivaling the best of fixed optical market with similar characteristics.
XF Fujinon 35 mm f / 1.4 R for Fujifilm X-Pro1: Conclusion
In sum, a goal that more than satisfy fans of the optical bright, able to open up to f / 1.4. One wonders what a leap in performance could have been achieved by limiting this view to an aperture of f / 2 (4), but the marketing needs demanded, more than likely, the aperture of f / 1.4.
XF Fujinon 60 mm f / 2.4 Macro R Fujifilm X-Pro1: Conclusion
Overall, probably the best digital lens and its focal category, more than likely a new optical paradigm."
Fujifilm X-Pro1, La Prueba - Ópticas XF - DSLR Magazine
Google Translate
Jubb Jubb
Well-known
AF is quite good. It's not DSLR fast, but neither then is an M8. What makes the X-Pro1 is the sensor, which makes the M8 sensor look like a 6 year old CCD. Oh, yeah. It is.
ISO 25600 looks better than the M8 at 640. Actually, that's being kind...
I agree with the ISO. My M8 absolutely sucks at anything above ISO 320, however, I am not sure of your AF comments.
There is no AF on the M8, and that is the beauty. Zone focusing is so much better and quicker than AF IMHO. And if you have to do it in a view finder, then it just isn't the same or as fast.
Files from my M8 constantly surprise me of just how good they are. It is a 6 year old camera, however i don't really think that matters.
Well the way I zone focus with an M requires pre-setting the camera once. Similarly, the X-Pro1 and x100 require setting it one time, and then off you go. Look at the lens focusing scale, or the back LCD; different method but same result.
A lot of myths perpetuated by non-users regarding these Fujis.
gavinlg
Veteran
Every second comment on them is like this... sigh...
randomm
Well-known
I chose M8 today, at least for the time being. Too little is known of x-pro1 at the moment.
Well once again, just like the X100, people seem to be upset they are not getting a M9 clone for $1700.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
I'll keep my M8.2. I'm happy with it and my Leica lenses! I guess you could say I've bonded with my M8.2.
crispy12
Well-known
I choose an M8 today as well. Figured that I can always sell it for a similar price, whereas the XP1 will lose at least 1/4 of it's initial value the moment I leave the shop.
Not in the short term since there will not be enough supply to meet demand.
It will be interesting to watch. The x100 is just now getting to the range of 75%-80% of retail for used (several months to a year old.) This may be due to people selling them to get the X-Pro1. And if lots of M8 owners do the same, the M8 prices should also dip a little as more are on the market.
Well, the M8 is already selling for 35-40% of its original price. It's harder to go down quickly for a M8 than for a new camera of course. The true test will be if the Fuji's sell at anywhere near 35-40% of there original prices in 5-6 years.
willie_901
Veteran
This is true. Especially if figuring out how to use an unusul AF system is of much trouble.
It took a while, but my in-focus percentage with the X100 is about the same as it was with my Zeiss Ikon ZM, much higher than my Canonet QL17 and better than the D200 and D300 with AI/AIS lenses.
It really depends on how many M8 owners sell.