Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm

For a thousand dollars I would have seriously considered buying this instead of a used M8 since I don't primarily shoot digital. As it is I hope this is the start of a new trend in cameras. If this had interchangeable lenses Leica would be in even bigger trouble. As is I think X1 sales will go down hill from here, not that I think Leica sold a ton of them in the first place.

I think this camera will push Leica much like the RD1 did. Nice that we are starting to see more options...
 
Damaso said:
For a thousand dollars I would have seriously considered buying this instead of a used M8 since I don't primarily shoot digital. As it is I hope this is the start of a new trend in cameras. If this had interchangeable lenses Leica would be in even bigger trouble. As is I think X1 sales will go down hill from here, not that I think Leica sold a ton of them in the first place.

I think this camera will push Leica much like the RD1 did. Nice that we are starting to see more options...
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If the camera is successful, you may see an interchangeable lens camera in the 2nd or 3rd generation of the camera.

One thing that is saving Fuji money, is having the lens-body, sealed. Interchangeable lens cameras now have sensor cleaning systems and other necessary items to protect the sensor when exposed during a lens change. Also, all the lens electronics are free of needing exposed contacts. I just had an AF problem with my S5 and a nikon lens. It was only necessary to clean the electronic contacts on the camera and lens.

Many users would have sent the camera in for repair. As far as I know, fuji contracts much or their repair. Nikon does the repair on my S5.
 
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semilog said:
I have.......Then the fun-ride is over.

......I'm not saying that there is no room for improvement

.......In fairness, I have not run the numbers for a modern, Bayer-array APS-C sensor, and I might be underestimating what is physically possible. However, my experience with microscope sensors suggests that the current state of the art is not so far away from those limits.

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I remember being at the World Wide Apple Developers Conference dinner some 20 years back that a table with some deep hardware geeks. One was a senior Apple HW guy the other my companies lead propeller head who went to Apple to do live motion video. One of the conversations was about the challenge of building mother boards for chips running over the GHz mark. They felt there were some issues turning 90 degree angles in the traces. Someone did it and now we have some very fast machines.

Give it time. The drive to make things better combined with profitability and a bit of greed can make magical thing happen. Just hope it's not too much greed.

B2 (;->
 
Paul T. said:
you need to become friends with a guy called Brad over on photonet. You could play internet ping pong together.

Every time anyone talked about Leicas in the Leica forum, he would interject saying they weren't professionals, merely liked to fondle cameras, and that real photographers used the Hexar AF, like him.
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Ha, ha....I remember Brad. One of a group that ran off just about all of the decent photographers on that god forsaken site.
 
semilog said:
Not true.

The accumulated charges on a CCD sensor are still (in the vast majority of cases) transferred to the A/D circuitry and read one pixel at a time. This can be done slowly or quickly, but it's still one pixel at a time. The exceptions are generally exotic, are used for specialised scientific applications, and generally have poor SNR and lower (spatial) resolution.
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Try again... in context of Global vs Rolling shutters.
 
Amateur Photographer is also quoting a €1000 price point. Looks promising, if it's only slightly more than a GF1/20mm outfit.
 
BillBingham2 said:
I remember being at the World Wide Apple Developers Conference dinner some 20 years back that a table with some deep hardware geeks. One was a senior Apple HW guy the other my companies lead propeller head who went to Apple to do live motion video. One of the conversations was about the challenge of building mother boards for chips running over the GHz mark. They felt there were some issues turning 90 degree angles in the traces. Someone did it and now we have some very fast machines.

Give it time. The drive to make things better combined with profitability and a bit of greed can make magical thing happen. Just hope it's not too much greed.

B2 (;->
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You don't want sharp outer edges on those right angle traces if you want speed. Most designers cut the outer triangle off of the outer edge, and fill in the inner angle..
 
Well I stand corrected now that Michael Johnstone and others are reporting $1000 price... I expected it to be twice that honestly. Even with a few first generation flaws and delays it will probably become the best seller camera in years. If they get it 90% right I will purchase one but I will also let some of you guys be the Beta testers, wait for the firmware update, etc. ;-)

Yes whomever that Juan really is, I don't see how something like a Hexar AF or the digital equivalent that this camera appears to be is any less a professional tool that any other camera. Not to pick a fight with some guy who obviously has a lot of time to rant and bicker but I found the handy "ignore" function a useful way to enjoy seeing good pictures that happen to be shot with auto-focused digitals.

Frankly, a few others may confirm this, but for a "pro" to be hanging out in these forums it's more an indication that they aren't too busy or they're procrastinating about doing something distasteful. I know this to be true.
 
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Frank Petronio said:
Well I stand corrected now that Michael Johnstone and others are reporting $1000 price... I expected it to be twice that honestly. Even with a few first generation flaws and delays it will probably become the best seller camera in years. If they get it 90% right I will purchase one but I will also let some of you guys be the Beta testers, wait for the firmware update, etc. ;-)

Yes whomever that Juan really is, I don't see how something like a Hexar AF or the digital equivalent that this camera appears to be is any less a professional tool that any other camera.

Frankly, a few others may confirm this, but for a "pro" to be hanging out in these forums it's more an indication that they aren't too busy. I know this to be true.
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Hi Frank;

Correct. I'm on here when I'm not out taking pictures..

Things are a bit slow this year.. maybe things will improve.. maybe.

If the camera is out in the first quarter of next year, I'll get one in Nov. Firmware is a serious issue. Most modern cameras that have errors when first released, are fixed with a firmware pill. Of my 3 digitals, only the Fuji hasn't needed one ..The other 2 have had 1 or 2 up-grades. p.
 
Kin Lau said:
Try again... in context of Global vs Rolling shutters.
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How the charge accumulation is started and stopped is not the same as how the data are read. And although we were talking about electronic shutters, you referred to how the data are read. I don't believe I'm wrong, either about what you wrote, or about how CCDs work.
 
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PKR said:
Hi Frank;

Correct. I'm on here when I'm not out taking pictures..

Things are a bit slow this year.. maybe things will improve.. maybe.
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Yep same thing Europe side of the pond too. Killing time while on the phone searching for any work, even... *shudder* high school graduation photos.
 
back alley said:
why do these threads eventually BECOME ABOUT JUAN?

and what he thinks should be...

you guys just get suckered every time!
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Have you ever read posts by his identical twin brother Jamal? He doesn't have his picture in his avatar but he looks just like him - once you've seen Juan, you've seen Jamal.
 
JayGannon said:
Yep same thing Europe side of the pond too. Killing time while on the phone searching for any work, even... *shudder* high school graduation photos.
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It's crazy. I just heard a news report claiming the (our) "recession" was over in mid 2009. You could have fooled me, and a few others.

Things are tight.. hang in there.

p.
 
zumbido said:
You definitely have better sight than anyone I know, including my pro and semi-pro photog friends who all use AF for at least 98 shots out of 100. (As differentiated from my artist friends, who don't make any money from photography but have gallery shows and also use AF for 98 shots out of 100, unless they're using 120 or LF).

That's all I can say.
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No offense but mentioning semi-pro and pro friends just doesnt add any credence to your argument.

General breakdown would be:
News photographers - Af, Sport Photographers - Af, most others Hybrid of both. Documentary photographers 50/50.

Semi-pro photographers - who cares in the context of a discussion of a tool for working photographers.

As for the artist bashing, I know 5 or 6 fine art photographers who make sick amounts of money each year from their work. (well into 6 figures)

And as for good eyesight, well anyone under 50 who is a working photog and can't out focus a camera on a lens with a short throw should get their eyes checked.
 
PKR said:
It's crazy. I just heard a news report claiming the (our) "recession" was over in mid 2009. You could have fooled me, and a few others.

Things are tight.. hang in there.

p.
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Hehe come to Ireland where our economy is still frigging contracting and we're headed for 20% unemployment, wish I had more savings at which point I would have been outta here.... again.
 
@aizan - No, that one doesn't but you're posting "the extreme" to prove a point, not what's typical. There's not much design difference between an SLR and a DSLR. - There's not all that much design difference between film point-n-shoot, digital compacts, etc. Take away the DSLR hump, put any kind of EVF or OVF on top go with dials instead of menus and you will have a camera that essentially looks like a rangefinder, as the Fuji does. How else would it look? How else could it look? I think its a case of form following function for the most part... Just like SLR/DSLR design. I don't think Fuji is trying to be "retro cool" here no more than DSLR makers were trying to do that. Take away the hump, add a few dials, that's what you got.
 
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