Fujifilm X-Pro1 details leaked!!!

dcsang said:
Interesting - I just called Downtown Camera and Fuji Canada has not "officially" announced a list price so I'm surprised (but really not - because I know how Henry's is) that they're listing it at the "announced" USD price.

Cheers,
Dave
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They're calling it a 'compact DSLR' 😱😕 Must be a different camera altogether😀
 
jsrockit said:
Amen... too many haters at RFF. 😉 However, if I was happy using film, I may hate as well. Since I prefer digital, I'd rather focus on what it offers less than what it doesn't offer.
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What I'm seeing is a bunch of people who look at a glass as half empty instead of one that's half full. And they seem to be the same people who have as their ideal an exact copy of the Leica model (of their preference) but at a third of the price. And complain endlessly to justify their dismissal of new developments that their needs are being ignored by the recalcitrant camera manufacturers. They don't seem, however, to show the same negative attitude to the indifference of Leica to their desires.

Film users are generally a bit of an anachronism these days - I know, I am one - but there's no need to be blinded by it. I use Rolleiflex for MF, Nikkormat for macro and M6 or R4A for general photography.
My transition towards digital was the GF-1, since sold as it was too bulky with the EVF and kit zoom fitted, and now the excellent little X10.

The X10 satisfies my digital aspirations for the present, has excellent macro capability and IQ generally. If I go any further down the digital route then the Nikkormats, the M6, the R4A and the X10 will all go and be replaced by the X Pro-1 Fuji.
 
Leigh Youdale said:
What I'm seeing is a bunch of people who look at a glass as half empty instead of one that's half full. And they seem to be the same people who have as their ideal an exact copy of the Leica model (of their preference) but at a third of the price. And complain endlessly to justify their dismissal of new developments that their needs are being ignored by the recalcitrant camera manufacturers.
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(In bold) Yes...this is true. But surely we can understand why... I mean the M9 is priced out of sane people's range (well, at least the sane ones who earn an average wage).

Digital is a bitch since it is so new (relatively speaking). Back in the film only days, if you didn't want to purchase the M6 new for $2000 (but it was what you really wanted), you could buy a M2 or M3 (perhaps user M4-2) for $500 which could effectively give you 90% of the camera you really wanted.

These days you can buy a Leica M9, a used M8, a Epson, or any one of these digital cameras that has its compromises vs. a true mechanical rangefinder. It's rough to want to use digital and have a mechanical rangefinder. You either settle for cropped outdated sensors, settle for AF mirrorless cameras with adapters, or spend way too much cash for a M9. A third of the price is still an expensive camera too. However, it is workable to many more people. I still have dreams of another manufactuer making a m mount, mechanical rangefinder, digital camera at a more reasonable price. In the meantime, Fuji is filling in the gap nicely.
 
Unfortunately the Fuji is neither a rangefinder nor mechanical. It has frame lines and a viewfinder...but we have yet to see how it will focus manually, especially with mechanical lenses. Obviously the live view is the most apparent option, but since you can set frame lines for the viewfinder in any focal length, they must expect us to use that as well.

The new fuji lenses have a digital focus ring and a digital aperture ring. That also means no manual focus when the camera is not powered on. I wonder if the the aperture ring will actually stop down the aperture, or does it wait for the shutter actuation? How does the X100 work in this regard?

Maybe this is a non issue?
 
The conversation regarding true nature of rangefinder is rather similar to people talking democratization of technology

I remember when type setting was possible in computers. The type setter associations declared that it was a none issue. No one would ever change their font in computers and get good quality. With in 2 years, the type setters disappeared.

Maybe it is not about rangefinders. Rangefinder seems like was the last hold on using film. As more cameras with rangefinder look or ability without film, the film will truly disappear.

Regardless, GXR, GF2 or whatever that can take rangefinder lens, along with cameras that mimic the look or certain ability of a rangefinder will make sure that the film will be gone.
 
I've never gotten the obsession with the actual rangefinder focusing mechanism.
I was drawn to Leica by the high quality of the lenses, solid build, and small form factor. Despite using Leicas for 20 years, I still only have a rudimentary understanding of how a rangefinder works.
The fact is, I don't care how it works. I just want the small form factor and high-quality output.
That's enough for me.
 
noimmunity said:
But the clincher is this: I will never, ever buy a DSLR. For years I have looked wistfully at the D700 and its capabilities, but I know that no matter how good they may be, I would never ever want to carry that thing with me. Ever.
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I get this.
I do have a D700. I love it for studio work. Or shoots where I won't have to tote the thing around very much. But it's just too big for me to comfortably carry it around for much more than that.
 
tbarker13 said:
I've never gotten the obsession with the actual rangefinder focusing mechanism.
I was drawn to Leica by the high quality of the lenses, solid build, and small form factor. Despite using Leicas for 20 years, I still only have a rudimentary understanding of how a rangefinder works.
The fact is, I don't care how it works. I just want the small form factor and high-quality output.
That's enough for me.
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Yeah, 100%. I get about the same hit rate with my x100 as I do a manual focus rangefinder - possibly even better.
 
jsrockit said:
I still have dreams of another manufactuer making a m mount, mechanical rangefinder, digital camera at a more reasonable price. In the meantime, Fuji is filling in the gap nicely.
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I'm actually with you there. I was really hoping that Cosina would bring out the Bessa RD-2a with a full frame sensor and able to take the CV lenses. There are a lot of Epson RD-1 owners who'd jump at it. I guess there must have been some non-compete clauses in the manufacturing agreement with Epson (which must expire at some stage). I'm sure they have the capability - there has to be some reason - but maybe their entry to the m4/3 consortium (although not FF), Epson's clear disinterest in continuing in camera production, and Fuji's stellar success with the X series might yet produce something interesting. Being aligned with m4/3 may give Cosina access to a decent sensor, but then again would Olympus and Panasonic want the competition that Cosina would give them? That might also be reflected in some conditions of Cosina's m4/3 licence. I'm sure all these arguments have been put to MrK before. We can only hope.
 
jskjsk said:
Maybe it is not about rangefinders. Rangefinder seems like was the last hold on using film. As more cameras with rangefinder look or ability without film, the film will truly disappear.

Regardless, GXR, GF2 or whatever that can take rangefinder lens, along with cameras that mimic the look or certain ability of a rangefinder will make sure that the film will be gone.
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I doubt that will happen entirely as there are too many traditionalists and old farts like myself who enjoy the process from beginning to end and not just getting something that looks good on a computer screen or Flickr. Plus it's not just about 35mm which is, I think, the main thrust of your post even if unstated. There are a lot of LF and MF photographers who will still provide a market for film. But it will become more expensive and restricted in choice both as to size and type.
 
Lens road map

Lens road map

Fuji just announced the lens road map for X-Pro1:

(To supplement the 18mm F2.0, 35mm F1.4 and 60mm F2.4 Macro already announced)

2012:
14mm f/2.8
18-72mm f/4.0 with Image Stabilization

2013:
28mm f/2.8 pancake
23mm f/2.0
72-200mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization
12-24mm f/4.0 Image Stabilization

... looks GOOD 🙂
 
jskjsk said:
dp review. sounds dirty. is this a porn site?
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hahahaha


Im excited about this cam because its basically an m9. When you go to the The fuji x100 thread is like night and day when you compare the subject matter and quality. The xpro will produce some classic images in the upcoming years and maybe by someone on this board. I cant wait!!
 
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