celluloidprop
Well-known
Fuji may well be treating the OVF as a compromise - it will work completely with the original focal lengths (or those close).
The EVF may be required for super-wides and will almost definitely be required for legacy lenses.
The EVF may be required for super-wides and will almost definitely be required for legacy lenses.
astrosecret
Recovering rollei snob
this is a dream camera and I wish I could afford it right now. It seems fuji has priced many people out of the market. Regardless, I'm sure after all is said and done there is very little margin for profit on a system like this so I understand their price tag. i'd be comfortable at nex-7 prices but honestly i could grab a used m8 and would rather do that :/
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
IN the back of my head I keep wondering about keeping the Canon, then I remember I need great glass 85mm and longer . . .
I feel the same way. The X100's size is a strong advantage that will keep it in my kit for as long as it lasts.
filmtwit
Desperate but not serious
Isn't a used M8 more then X-pro1?
this is a dream camera and I wish I could afford it right now. It seems fuji has priced many people out of the market. Regardless, I'm sure after all is said and done there is very little margin for profit on a system like this so I understand their price tag. i'd be comfortable at nex-7 prices but honestly i could grab a used m8 and would rather do that :/
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
Isn't a used M8 more then X-pro1?
Yeah, even with a used M8, your cost of entry is likely to be higher, once you factor in the cost of lenses. Unless the used M8 market has fallen faster than I realize.
If Fuji is going to offer wider lenses for the camera, how are they going to adjust the optical viewfinder? It comes with a magnifier which can adjust for the 3 initial lenses, but wider lenses will need a wider viewfinder, no? or goggles?
The framelines just need to be adjusted which each Fuji lens will communicate.... there is room in the VF it appears for a 21mm (being a .37 VF). Perhaps they will build M adapters which communicate this as well.
http://fujifilm-x.com/x-pro1/en/story/chapter4/page_02.html
Don't forget the cost of UV/IR for M8.
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
Just pre-ordered a camera and all three lenses.
As they say in Texas Hold-em, I'm all in.
As they say in Texas Hold-em, I'm all in.
Leigh Youdale
Well-known
Bravo!
Bravo!
A brilliant analysis. Why did it take me so many more words!
Bravo!
It's an M9. No, it's not an M9.
It's cheap! No, it's expensive!
It's an RF. No, it's not an RF!
It's beautiful. It's ugly!
It will kill Leica. It doesn't compete with Leica.
The JPG samples are great! The JPG samples suck!
I love EVFs. I hate EVFs!
I love the lens lineup. Why don't they have an 35mm equivalent??
APS-C is great, keeps the cost down. Why isn't it full frame??
My preorder is in place. I will never buy this thing!
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The bipolar nature of RFF continues.![]()
A brilliant analysis. Why did it take me so many more words!
Pete B
Well-known
Just do some research, there are just too many stories about poor treatment from expansys for me to go anywhere near them.
Like this?
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=40296743
Pete
Leigh Youdale
Well-known
You will be glad to see that a 35 efov lens for the XP1 has already been announced.
In fact, there is now 21-28-35-50.
Since everybody has had their turn, it's mine now: where's the dang 24/25 prime? Sheesh, the one effective focal length that is really hard to come by in third party lenses (there ain't many 16s out there)! Hard luck for a 24-50 type like me. So far the only option is to go for one of the zooms...
But I'll still get it, if I can afford it, and I'll live.
Now YOU'RE getting picky too!
I had the 21, 25, 28, 35 etc range of CV lenses for my R4A but eventually concluded that there wasn't enough difference in FOV to be carrying both the 25 and 28 so I kept the 21 and the 28 and sold the 25. Rarely miss it now.
astrosecret
Recovering rollei snob
Yeah, even with a used M8, your cost of entry is likely to be higher, once you factor in the cost of lenses. Unless the used M8 market has fallen faster than I realize.
well since i already have leica glass... i wouldn't have to buy an adapter and would have a much more accurate focusing mechanism. i simply meant I could spend equally as much on an m8 body after taxes, and wouldn't have to buy an m adapter. not that i could afford a used m8 either
Just pre-ordered a camera and all three lenses.
As they say in Texas Hold-em, I'm all in.
Nice, may I ask where? I'm on a list for the body and the 18/35mm lenses.
So they announced the wrong price... that's no big deal. Also, they did not cancel any orders... they simply don't know the price...just like everyone else.
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
well since i already have leica glass... i wouldn't have to buy an adapter and would have a much more accurate focusing mechanism. i simply meant I could spend equally as much on an m8 body after taxes, and wouldn't have to buy an m adapter. not that i could afford a used m8 eitherbut its all comes out to be about the same, what with used m8s going for 1800-2000 now.
Yeah, I see where you are coming from.
The potential downside is that the M8 is nearly 5 years old. Will have no warranty. And it enjoys only limited support from Leica at this point (firmware updates). Of course, if it breaks they'll fix it (though not cheaply.)
If we were talking film cameras, I wouldn't care. But with digital cameras, I'm considerably more nervous about spending big on older cameras out of warranty.
And this does come from someone who has owned 2 M8s and an M8.2 over the five years.
uhoh7
Veteran
Having had an M8 (back in April 2008) and having experienced the line of dead pixels (brand new M8 too) - that issue combined with the whole UV/IR issue was the thing that stopped me - time and time again - from buying an M9.
Once bitten, twice shy.
Cheers,
Dave
So now that the M9 seems to have the kinks largely gone, and is producing incredible images with no crop.......
not to mention being dragged from afghanistan to detroit....
you have pre-ordered an utterly unknown commodity.
not to say you shouldn't, but you imply an M9 is within reach for you. Which somewhat removes a major factor in considering the Xpro-1.
If someone approached me on a solar powered desert island with an M9 in one hand and this or any other crop camera in the other....I know which I'd take
celluloidprop
Well-known
I'd take whichever one can most easily be made into a boat.
Turtle
Veteran
The M9 has suffered a number of faults which could be very expensive to owners once out of warranty and it costs 3 x the price of the X-Pro 1 to start with. In fact, if you develop a sensor fault that requires replacement (post warranty), you could probably buy an X-Pro 1 for considerably less than the repair cost... and a new shutter would probably be about the same as a new X-Pro 1. Then we have the dreaded lines from dead pixels that Leica has to map out etc. Some even still have red edge issues with leica's own lenses...
Some X100s had a serious shutter fault but at least they were generally replaced with a extremely quick turnaround which is a far cry from the Leica experience for many. Personally, I would have more faith in the likely reliability/repair outcomes with an unknown X-pro than the well known M9. The prospect of a broken M9 out of warranty is positively stomach churning.
I can afford to buy a M9, but I just don't want to have to face potentially ridiculous costs 5 years down the road. For me it would be a tool and not a luxury item and no few other photographic tools, even at the same retail price, have the potential to deliver such enormous repair bills.
... and quite a few people who have dragged the M9 from Afghanistan to detroit have grumbled about terrible battery life, tedious sensor cleaning and other grumbles that have soured the experience.
Sure, the X-pro 1 has yet to prove itself, but it looks to have quite a few qualities over the M9 at any price. Whether they matter will likely come down to personal preference.
Some X100s had a serious shutter fault but at least they were generally replaced with a extremely quick turnaround which is a far cry from the Leica experience for many. Personally, I would have more faith in the likely reliability/repair outcomes with an unknown X-pro than the well known M9. The prospect of a broken M9 out of warranty is positively stomach churning.
I can afford to buy a M9, but I just don't want to have to face potentially ridiculous costs 5 years down the road. For me it would be a tool and not a luxury item and no few other photographic tools, even at the same retail price, have the potential to deliver such enormous repair bills.
... and quite a few people who have dragged the M9 from Afghanistan to detroit have grumbled about terrible battery life, tedious sensor cleaning and other grumbles that have soured the experience.
Sure, the X-pro 1 has yet to prove itself, but it looks to have quite a few qualities over the M9 at any price. Whether they matter will likely come down to personal preference.
So now that the M9 seems to have the kinks largely gone, and is producing incredible images with no crop.......
not to mention being dragged from afghanistan to detroit....
...if you can afford a M9, you can afford an entire X-pro 1 system and get some change, or have some up your sleeve for future expenses.
you have pre-ordered an utterly unknown commodity.
not to say you shouldn't, but you imply an M9 is within reach for you. Which somewhat removes a major factor in considering the Xpro-1.
If someone approached me on a solar powered desert island with an M9 in one hand and this or any other crop camera in the other....I know which I'd take![]()
Let's see...upgrade M9 to M9P - $1995 (new top and bottom and sapphire LCD glass)
Xpro1 Body - ~$1700
hmmm...
Xpro1 Body - ~$1700
hmmm...
intheviewfinder
Street
PopPhoto CES Video
PopPhoto CES Video
Take a look at this PopPhoto video from CES
Casey Baker Fujifilm's X-Pro1 marketing director answers some interesting questions.
Looks like the zooms will be communicate their focal length and aperture only by momentarily engaging the EVF.
She calls the AF smokin' fast.
No real pricing answer though she does say there will be bundles (1 body & 1 lens - body & all 3 lenses).
PopPhoto CES Video
Take a look at this PopPhoto video from CES
Casey Baker Fujifilm's X-Pro1 marketing director answers some interesting questions.
Looks like the zooms will be communicate their focal length and aperture only by momentarily engaging the EVF.
She calls the AF smokin' fast.
No real pricing answer though she does say there will be bundles (1 body & 1 lens - body & all 3 lenses).
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