Paul T.
Veteran
Parallax would indeed be the big issue for a focus peaking overlay, as proposed; the view between the sensor, and the VF window, will never completely coincide. The angle of view would also make it trickier, but while you could reduce or increase the overlaid EVF image in size, via software, you couldn't line it up accurately.
Hence focus peaking will only be possible with the EVF.
It seems that legacy lens owners should feel grateful, merely that an adapter is available. Focusing the thing is perhaps a luxury! I doi hope Fuji take notice and add focus peaking, to at least expand the options.
dazedgonebye
Veteran
I should think that was obvious, but....
I'm considering the X-Pro1. Love the form factor. Looks like just what I've been wanting.
When I make a buying decision, I tend to compare alternatives on a price/performance basis. Fuji is claiming image quality on par with full frame DSLRs, I'm assuming that is so.
So, image quality being equal, price being equal, I have to decide if the form factor "advantages" of the Fuji are more compelling than the proven performance of the 5DMkII...not to mention the list of available lenses.
totifoto
Well-known
Here is a hands on review......
http://photorumors.com/2012/01/16/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-camera-hands-on-report/#more-18392
He says:" Fuji did not make any improvements to the manual focus in the X-Pro 1 - there is still not focus confirmation or "focus peaking" (like in the Sony NEX or Ricoh GXR systems), which could be problematic if you are planning on using the camera with Leica M-mount lenses."
He is only testing the camera at the Fuji booth at the CES, maybe this will be fixed in the final version.
http://photorumors.com/2012/01/16/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-camera-hands-on-report/#more-18392
He says:" Fuji did not make any improvements to the manual focus in the X-Pro 1 - there is still not focus confirmation or "focus peaking" (like in the Sony NEX or Ricoh GXR systems), which could be problematic if you are planning on using the camera with Leica M-mount lenses."
He is only testing the camera at the Fuji booth at the CES, maybe this will be fixed in the final version.
palec
Well-known
In recent Economist article about decline of Kodak, there is a hint about Fuji's high-tech strategy: make it, launch it, fix it. Somehow I doubt the manual focus will be ready for the launch time.
Good, now can you guys looking for a Leica M solution go to the Sony NEX or Ricoh GXR thread instead and stop bitching here? 
dct
perpetual amateur
@jsrockit: I don't think so. The M group looks also at this new body as a potential digital back for M lenses. Not only... And that's why I suggest that reasonable discussion about legacy lens support should take place also here, discussing exactly the specialities of the X-Pro1, beeing the only possible M mount body with a hybrid viewfinder...
Mcary
Well-known
Good question.
Can only speak for myself but the reason I'm interested in the X-1Pro series is I'm looking for a compact/lightweight interchangeable lens camera/system that I can afford. So since I don't consider the Canon system listed as either lightweight or compact the fact that it costs a little less then the X-1Pro system doesn't really mean anything to me.
palec
Well-known
I'm not looking for M solution, I would just like to use those nice Fujinon lenses (especially 18/2) comfortably in manual focus mode. And first reports from CES show that there is no improvement over X100 incredible long focus throw.
gavinlg
Veteran
It's an AF camera. There is nothing you can do about it. If you want a camera to use as a manual focus camera, buy a DSLR or a rangefinder, or a film SLR. You're spoiled for choice. Chances are with the dslr you'll end up using AF anyway - because it's better in 95% of situations.
gramorris
Member
Have you just announced to the world that fuji's x-pro1 m adapter has some AF magic in there?
As it is I'm interested in a high iso capable camera which can accept m lenses and focus them reasonably effectively, and I see no harm in discussing rather than dismissing the possibilities of this fuji, especially when fuji haven't announced any of the mf features of this camera.
I'll add that I already own the m lenses, I'm not particularly interested in buying another set of system lenses.
f6andBthere
Well-known
I do have a gut feeling that if the MF function of this camera was noticably better than the X100 they'd be letting us know by now. The X Pro would have been in the pipeline for some time and I don't see any reason why it would be markedly different. That's not to say it wont be a great autofocus tool.
gramorris
Member
You're probably right but I do struggle a bit with the logic behind developing an in-house m adapter if the core functionality i.e. focussing it, is going to be inferior to competing mirrorless products. If using m lenses are important you'd pick the best mirrorless product and if you bought the fuji for it's system I can't understand why you'd jump to m lenses. On the flip side maybe they just reckon leicaphilies will pick it on looks alone
Focal Plane Circus
Member
Is it possible Leicaphiles would pick it because they own bags of M lenses? Anyway, the X-Pro1 has big buttons, so they could probably use it with their white cotton gloves on.maybe they just reckon leicaphilies will pick it on looks alone
Joe AC
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I for one am confused. As stated earlier, I don't see the logic in developing an in house M adapter and then making it a painful to use. I am in the market for a new digital and would love to be able to use the legacy lenses that I already own. As far as I can see it, its a toss up between the XP1, the NEX 7, or a second hand M8. It may be wishful thinking but I'm really hoping that Fuji comes through on this and has a plan for the MF. That's not to say that the Fuji lenses won't be great nor am I saying that I won't buy any. But my main concern is to use the lenses that I already own.
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astrosecret
Recovering rollei snob
1700$ interchangeable body... 2200$ kit... no useable manual focus. is this real life?
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
Why wouldn't it be? A Leica M9 will set you back about $7,000,with no useable autofocus.
I don't imagine the M-mount crowd is the primary focus here. If it were, they would have developed an M-Mount camera. The ability to use m lenses (for better or worse) is just a bit of a bonus.
They've stated the M adapter will be available in April. That means they have 3 months to write focus peaking firmware.
Every mirrorless has a focus assist magnification, including the x100. So I'm sure that the X-Pro1 will have *at least* this. For fully 3 years since the first mirrorless camera (Panasonic G1) until the 2nd generation NEX (and then the Ricoh) offered peaking, this is the way it was done. And the 1st gen NEX now have peaking with a firmware update.
Every mirrorless has a focus assist magnification, including the x100. So I'm sure that the X-Pro1 will have *at least* this. For fully 3 years since the first mirrorless camera (Panasonic G1) until the 2nd generation NEX (and then the Ricoh) offered peaking, this is the way it was done. And the 1st gen NEX now have peaking with a firmware update.
dougi
Established
They've stated the M adapter will be available in April. That means they have 3 months to write focus peaking firmware.
Every mirrorless has a focus assist magnification, including the x100. So I'm sure that the X-Pro1 will have *at least* this. For fully 3 years since the first mirrorless camera (Panasonic G1) until the 2nd generation NEX (and then the Ricoh) offered peaking, this is the way it was done. And the 1st gen NEX now have peaking with a firmware update.
Perhaps the M mount adapter could include some sort of optical or mechanical sensor to detect when you change focus and then automically get the camera to switch to EVF/focus assist or peaking, then back to OVF. Just an idea, may not be practical though.
willie_901
Veteran
It is useful to operate the AF manually. That is, with my X100 I focus and recompose as I did with my ZI-M rangefinder body. I also focus this way (manual focus via single point AF) with my D700 bodies and AF lenses
Initially I do not expect the X-Pro 1 to have efficient pure manual focusing with the Fujinon lenses except for using the EVF to make fine adjustments to close by static subjects.
Whether or not Fuji has an efficient focus function for the M lenses remains to be seen. It possible there will be a focus confirmation light that tells you when the AF focus region is in focus as you turn the M lens focus collar. Maybe there will be a major firmware update released with the M adapter.
I suspect those who want/need to use their M lenses as if they had a mechanical rangefinder in their hands should forget about the X-Pro 1.
Initially I do not expect the X-Pro 1 to have efficient pure manual focusing with the Fujinon lenses except for using the EVF to make fine adjustments to close by static subjects.
Whether or not Fuji has an efficient focus function for the M lenses remains to be seen. It possible there will be a focus confirmation light that tells you when the AF focus region is in focus as you turn the M lens focus collar. Maybe there will be a major firmware update released with the M adapter.
I suspect those who want/need to use their M lenses as if they had a mechanical rangefinder in their hands should forget about the X-Pro 1.
Focal Plane Circus
Member
M mount adapter
M mount adapter
M mount adapter
Fuji says it will be a "smart" adapter, whatever that means.