Furloughed B&H workers accuse company of discrimination

zuiko85 said:
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They filed for bankruptcy last year.
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Yeah, it started in the 70's and continues with what seems to be an unstoppable level of energy. Engineers stopped being promoted to become CEOs, bean-counters have taken the chair and as long as they keep improving returns will never be asked to give it up.

I'm hoping that your retirement is safe and you are healthy Z85!

We have lots our way in the race to create an ever more profitable company.

B2 (;->
 
f.hayek said:
Because almost everyone's ethnicity/religion is now PC off limits.
Almost everyone.

The owner of the store that called the police on George Floyd was a Palestinian Muslim. It is irrelevant to the event but never mentioned. Yet when B&H is brought up, that's where it goes.

Now you understand!
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When you consider that the Hasidic community in NYC has been in the news just in the last few days about ignoring social distancing (2,000 guests invited to a wedding), and demonstrating about the mayor's restrictions on social distancing in the past couple of weeks, you can see why the B&H story may have currency. Are the allegations about B&H true? We'll see. But concern about "super spreaders" is legitimate (maybe not among Trump fans, apparently). Did the article need to mention Hasidic employees at B&H? Maybe not -- but it being a New York newspaper, and B&H, many local readers would put 2 and 2 together anyway.

Would Friedrich Hayek (the real one) have said the "road to serfdom" includes practicing your religion so as to not harm others?
 
The main issue is overall discrimination at B&H against employees who are not Hasidic . And the use of Covid-19 as an excuse to trim the ranks of employees who are not Hasidic. Also there is the issue of advertising for the jobs of furloughed workers. B&H was given the opportunity to respond. The article isn’t anti-Hasidic. Unfortunately B&H has a well documented history of discrimination againt employees. Conflating the article with partisan politics is a waste of energy.
 
KoNickon said:
When you consider that the Hasidic community in NYC has been in the news just in the last few days about ignoring social distancing (2,000 guests invited to a wedding), and demonstrating about the mayor's restrictions on social distancing in the past couple of weeks, you can see why the B&H story may have currency. Are the allegations about B&H true? We'll see. But concern about "super spreaders" is legitimate (maybe not among Trump fans, apparently). Did the article need to mention Hasidic employees at B&H? Maybe not -- but it being a New York newspaper, and B&H, many local readers would put 2 and 2 together anyway.

Would Friedrich Hayek (the real one) have said the "road to serfdom" includes practicing your religion so as to not harm others?
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No one ha the right to endanger others for any reason (if true). Never said that. Found it disturbing that that’s where people go first. Silence with the throngs that gathered for demonstrations. This is my sole point
 
I know someone who was let go at adorama after working there for 12 years. He was then promptly offered his job back for no (zero) pay, on commission. He declined.
It is understandable that companies are hurting in this economic environment, but some companies have no clue how to be respectful towards their employees. I'm sure there are lots more stories like this to come.
 
KoNickon said:
... Did the article need to mention Hasidic employees at B&H? Maybe not -- but it being a New York newspaper, and B&H, many local readers would put 2 and 2 together anyway.
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I started to listen AM radio in Toronto since 2003. Back then they would tell the region where shootings, crime happened and suspects skin color.
People would call on the radio and say - it is Black on Black and it is always in Jane/Finch and so on.
First, radios were asked to remove the name of the region where it happened and after some years skin color was also removed.
I think NY papers have to learn same lesson. I went to anti-racism training (every contractor was/is) with some wealthy company with headquarters in Chicago and subsidiaries in India and Czechia. It helped me to understand and living in modern multi-cultural society as well.
 
CNNY said:
I know someone who was let go at adorama after working there for 12 years. He was then promptly offered his job back for no (zero) pay, on commission. He declined.
It is understandable that companies are hurting in this economic environment, but some companies have no clue how to be respectful towards their employees. I'm sure there are lots more stories like this to come.
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That's dreadful but things in NYC are not great, though improved since the nadir in May. Because this is a photo-blog, you're not conscious of the myriad of jobs lost as restaurants and shops closed for good. Duane Reade pharmacies are closing or cutting down staff after the new phenomenon where people walk in and walk out with a load of shoplifted goods. Cops are nowhere to be found nowadays.

Apparently by order of the Alcalde.
 
Hmm -- any reason why you used a Spanish word, rather than "mayor"?

You have noticed the death toll from COVID, right? It is not a case of "things will just clear up on their own," notwithstanding what comes from the mouth of you know who.
 
221,000 and counting in the US, no end in sight -- and still unclear effects on those who do survive. We're less than 5% of the world's population, but have 20% of the deaths.
 
f.hayek said:
Assuming that a claim is automatically true and slamming “ultra-Orthodox” Jews, “just because” speaks to a very dark side of people’s respect for ‘diversity’. Some bigotries are acceptable now, it seems.

LeT us recall that in NYC, for weeks on end, tens of thousands of demonstrators/rioters in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, pillaged the streets of New York with the tacit encouragement of local officialdom and appeared “exempted” from “safety” concerns during a pandemic. Let’s not forget this.

Woke has it’s privileges, I guess.
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The vast majority of protestors did not riot. They were exercising a Constitutional right.
 
KoNickon said:
221,000 and counting in the US, no end in sight -- and still unclear effects on those who do survive. We're less than 5% of the world's population, but have 20% of the deaths.
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Thats an alleged death count, not the mortality rate.

I actually did the math today. The mortality rate is about a quarter of a percent. We were told by experts, the government (local and federal) et al we need to lock down, lose our businesses, change our way of life or there will be a 3.5% mortality rate and millions dead. That's not what happened thank God.
 
chipgreenberg said:
Thats an alleged death count, not the mortality rate.

I actually did the math today. The mortality rate is about a quarter of a percent. We were told by experts, the government (local and federal) et al we need to lock down, lose our businesses, change our way of life or there will be a 3.5% mortality rate and millions dead. That's not what happened thank God.
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Fatality rate is somewhat misleading though as it looks at total population, not what happens to those that get it.

For those the get it the death rate is about 4% world wide. In other words for every 25 people that get it 1 person dies.

1,128,228 deaths divided by 30,578,379 people that have recovered from it. (3.7%)

For the active cases the outcome is not yet known.

The US is right there too. 226,047 deaths divided by 5,540,097 that have recovered from it. (4%)

In some states the death rate is considerably higher. For example, New York (8.1%) and Massachusetts (8.2%). About 1 in 12.

Over time those percentages are dropping. Back in April it was over 20% worldwide.

Shawn
 
f.hayek said:
LeT us recall that in NYC, for weeks on end, tens of thousands of demonstrators/rioters in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, pillaged the streets of New York with the tacit encouragement of local officialdom and appeared “exempted” from “safety” concerns during a pandemic. Let’s not forget this.
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f.hayek said:
Watched thousands (from a distance), yelling, screaming and exhaling in the demonstrations following the Floyd murder. Not a peep about the risks to public health.
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f.hayek said:
Found it disturbing that that’s where people go first. Silence with the throngs that gathered for demonstrations. This is my sole point
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The majority of the demonstrators were just that, people exercising their right to protest, not pillagers and looters rioting.



I recall a great deal of concern being expressed frequently by the CDC and WHO and civic leaders over the risk of virus spread among the demonstrators and those they had contact with.
 
KoNickon said:
Hmm -- any reason why you used a Spanish word, rather than "mayor"?

You have noticed the death toll from COVID, right? It is not a case of "things will just clear up on their own," notwithstanding what comes from the mouth of you know who.
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Because that’s the term he plasters of himself in public notices and posters, often only in Spanish.

The wave of initial deaths and a demographic that remained so for way too long were in Hispanic and African American neighborhoods in New York as well as other communities where multi-generational families live in close quarters. That included Chinese and Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods too.

Pandemics often return in 2nd and 3rd waves, like the 1919 influenza. Until a vaccine appears, blame is pointless. The Governor of NY stuck convalescing Covid patients in nursing homes when he had 5 Field hospitals and a hospital ship sent by “you know who” but opted not to use them, resulting in the deaths of about 9000 elderly. Stupid move but then no one in living memory had ever dealt with an outbreak of this magnitude. Asymptomatic carriage among the young also rose because 20 somethings socialized in hot weather. Go tell them to stop; difference was that few of them became seriously ill and even fewer died.
 
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