GR Digital V to have APS-C sensor

[Aristophanes]

One more time so everyone understands...the Ricoh GR has the option of an optical viewfinder with BOTH 28 and 21mm frames:

http://www.pentax.jp/english/products/gr/

It is NOT a camera with no VF.

Furthermore it has a 35mm crop mode. You lose some pixels, but between 28mm and 35mm and the centre of the image the perspective difference would be almost nil:

As with any fixed lens camera there are compromises. It's compact and reasonably priced.

 

[Aristophanes]

Um, no. Dimensions:

Pentax *ist: 129 x 95 x 60 mm (5.0 x 3.7 x 2.3 in) 650 g w battery
Pentax *ist DS: 125 x 93 x 66 mm (4.92 x 3.66 x 2.6″) 605 g w battery
Pentax K-x: 122.5mm x 91.5mm x 67.5mm (4.8 x 3.6 x 2.7 in) 580g w battery
Fuji X100: 127 x 74 x 54 mm (5 x 2.91 x 2.13″) 445 g with battery

The DSLRs are listed without a lens. Add even the DA40 Limited and the Pentax DSLRs are still quite a bit thicker and heavier (read that as larger) than the Fuji X100.

Earlier models of the Pentax DSLRs weren't available, so I compared against the K-x ...
Pentax K-x vs Fuji X100: http://camerasize.com/compare/#229,133

I could easily stick a Fuji X100 into a jacket pocket, could never do that with a Pentax DSLR.
G

OK OK

It's dumb to compare an RF and a compact with an SLR...but what the heck. This is RFF!

I have a *ist and a K-x. And a DA 40. My neighbour has an X100. The big difference in size between an X100 and these small SLR/DSLR's is the mirror box, OVF, and grip. The mirror box/OVF is what enables interchangable TTL lenses. That's the trade-off where the *ist SLR versatility gets you a 300mm lens option (Pentax *ist with FA 100-300mm):



Try that with anything Fuji has. BTW, I love the X100. I find the X-Pro to be...voluminous and slow, but each to their own. My pockets would not last with an X100 in pretty much anything but a large overcoat pocket. It would be a very hefty load for any sport coat with a jetted flap pocket or windbreaker slash or hacking pocket, much less a patch pocket. The again, I doubt most cameras would fit into a ticket pocket, usually reserved for kerchiefs and sunglasses (and a long way for the iPhone to fall).

So we come full circle where an RF gives certain advantages but loses out on versatility. The Jack-of-all-trades SLR design is what it is, and the Ricoh GR is definitely a compact, but the Fuji X100 is a sizeable camera, especially in height where it matches DSLR's of similar sensor size. The X100 is far closer to Leica-size both in measurements and design philosophy than it is to a classic compact camera. Or, maybe compared to the Olympus OMD where body alone the X100 is larger.

Arguing about camera size without the context of tradeoffs is fun, but pointless fun 🙂

 

[GaryLH]

One more time so everyone understands...the Ricoh GR has the option of an optical viewfinder with BOTH 28 and 21mm frames:

http://www.pentax.jp/english/products/gr/

It is NOT a camera with no VF.

Furthermore it has a 35mm crop mode. You lose some pixels, but between 28mm and 35mm and the centre of the image the perspective difference would be almost nil:

As with any fixed lens camera there are compromises. It's compact and reasonably priced.

That point I have always understood. Your prior statement does not. If u read my prior post u will c that I agree here but your prior post did not really make sense in that u are implying about using the LCD and x100 is not usable that way, by your wording usage of philosophical difference between grd and x100...

The real difference is that the philosophy was to design the biggest sensor pocketable camera which in turn drove the desist on to use LCD. In your prior post if u had phrased it in that way I would have no need to say I don't understand.

Gary

 

[cam]

I think it's okay for me to say "yes?" :angel:

my apologies for not getting backing to you (i was distracted by the conversation going on in the thread that i didn't think i could comment on civilly).

anyways, yes, merci! i don't have a Ricoh dealer nearby either (Belgium) but, when i lived in Paris, i always bought from Marcel. he's a champion of Ricoh and probably is my favourite dealer ever.

not only would i not hesitate from buying from him, i will try to control my patience (i'll be in the states for the month of May) and wait until i come back and hopefully go down to Paris and buy it from him in person.

i miss Paris, i miss Marcel, and i miss shooting with a GR Digital.

 

[jsrockit]

The big difference in size between an X100 and these small SLR/DSLR's is the mirror box, OVF, and grip. The mirror box/OVF is what enables interchangable TTL lenses. That's the trade-off where the *ist SLR versatility gets you a 300mm lens option (Pentax *ist with FA 100-300mm):

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Try that with anything Fuji has. \

Come on man, you know people who are buying the X100 don't care about a 300mm lens...

 

[shadowfox]

LOL! I'm perfectly relaxed.
Just because you agree with the fellow's thesis doesn't make it any less a thesis.

Huh??
You lost me there.

But remember: we're talking about the Ricoh GR in this thread, not some discussion of which type of viewfinder is the best.

I agree.
I don't care what kind of VF they *should have* put in the GR.
I can use EVF or OVF as long as it's attached to the body.
As I said (three times now), the perfect place for it is where they chose to put the dinky pop-up flash.

 

[dogbunny]

Rather than think too much, as someone who really enjoys the Ricoh GR experience, I'm just going to buy it and shoot the hell out of it. 😉

 

[Przemek]

the perfect place for it is where they chose to put the dinky pop-up flash.

As a happy GRDIII owner I would never trade the flash for an O/EVF on a GR camera.
In such a small package you agree to certain compromises. The VF would double the LCD for framing purposes, albeit in a different form, whereas the pop up flash adds incredibly to the camera's functionality.

 

[jsrockit]

As a happy GRDIII owner I would never trade the flash for an O/EVF on a GR camera.

In such a small package you agree to certain compromises. The VF would double the LCD for framing purposes, albeit in a different form, whereas the pop up flash adds incredibly to the camera's functionality.

However, you needed the flash with GRD III. With the GR's high ISO prowess and leaf shutter, you may not need it.

 

[btgc]

However, you needed the flash with GRD III. With the GR's high ISO prowess and leaf shutter, you may not need it.

high ISOs aren't a real replacement for fill flash, which is realistic for built-in flash at closer distances.

 

[Przemek]

However, you needed the flash with GRD III. With the GR's high ISO prowess and leaf shutter, you may not need it.

The flash can do a lot more for me than just light up a dark scene, under certain conditions it can produce some great results - though some people might refer to them as "bad pictures" :angel:
So again, and this is just my personal feeling/opinion, I wouldn't want to lose the flash on the latest GR installment, it's MANDATORY for me 😉

 

[jsrockit]

Fair enough... I can see your point Przemek.

 

[Godfrey]

My only "complaint" with clip-on OVF/EVF designs, with respect to flash usage, is that there's only one flash shoe. Even when I want to keep the flash off-camera (direct flash is so awful most of the time), there's nowhere to plug in my RF flash trigger without making up a (usually fragile) custom connector that sneaks in under the viewfinder clip-on — the viewfinder doesn't use the flash contacts.

I wish the manufacturers would go back to incorporating a simple PC flash terminal in addition to the hot shoe. I only use manual flash units, triggered by an RF remote ... This would solve the problem completely.

G

 

[DavidKKHansen]

I wish the manufacturers would go back to incorporating a simple PC flash terminal in addition to the hot shoe.

Agreed. I think I'd gladly sacrifice the new effect button on the side of the GR and have a PC port take it's place.

 

[jpfisher]

My only "complaint" with clip-on OVF/EVF designs, with respect to flash usage, is that there's only one flash shoe. Even when I want to keep the flash off-camera (direct flash is so awful most of the time), there's nowhere to plug in my RF flash trigger without making up a (usually fragile) custom connector that sneaks in under the viewfinder clip-on — the viewfinder doesn't use the flash contacts.

I wish the manufacturers would go back to incorporating a simple PC flash terminal in addition to the hot shoe. I only use manual flash units, triggered by an RF remote ... This would solve the problem completely.

G

Would a Wein SafeSync solve this? It has a PC socket on its front. Might introduce a bit of parallax if you are using it along with an OVF, though.

(Just a thought, I agree, a sync socket would be welcome on any camera.)

 

[benlees]

The flash can do a lot more for me than just light up a dark scene, under certain conditions it can produce some great results - though some people might refer to them as "bad pictures" :angel:
So again, and this is just my personal feeling/opinion, I wouldn't want to lose the flash on the latest GR installment, it's MANDATORY for me 😉

Totally agree. A little bit of (fill) flash goes a long way. Just wish the manufacturers could come up with an on board flash and a lens hood that play well together. (Ricoh GRD, cough, Fuji X100, cough)

 

[DavidKKHansen]

I can't remember seeing a video with the shutter sound, can anybody confirm that it is a leaf shutter and a link to a video that demonstrates the shutter sound?

Also... where can I pre-order this thing in Europe?!?

 

[Nelson Tan]

Just got my hands on a pre-production model of the GR... here's how it compares to the GR1V in terms of size...

It's really very similar in dimensions to the GR1V, just slightly heavier. We are talking about millimeters of difference here, so it's an amazing job that Ricoh did in squeezing an APS-C sensor in there!

 

[Nelson Tan]

David,

It is a leaf shutter... and it is quiet!

I can't remember seeing a video with the shutter sound, can anybody confirm that it is a leaf shutter and a link to a video that demonstrates the shutter sound?

Also... where can I pre-order this thing in Europe?!?

 

[cam]

I can't remember seeing a video with the shutter sound, can anybody confirm that it is a leaf shutter and a link to a video that demonstrates the shutter sound?

Also... where can I pre-order this thing in Europe?!?

Marcel is supposed to have them in Paris (i think i heard on the 10th?). here is his info:

L'Instantané
40, bd Beaumarchais
75011 PARIS
Tél: 01 43 55 02 32
Email: linstantane@wanadoo.fr

he's a little shy about his english but i's really quite good.